Russia and Ukraine

[Ivan Denisovich]

Nor I. One could perhaps look for some "paganism" in holidays Heroes memorial day or Memorial day for the martyrs but it's not like christians did not celebrated their heroes and martyrs so list comes empty on this account.

"Gott Mit Uns" on your belt-buckle just isn't very pagan. Nazi hierarchy appealed directly to the Christian feelings of Germans in order to collate support. Paganism would have offended the same Christians who filled the ranks of the Wehrmacht.

Exactly. It have to be noted that there was tension between party and church but Germany was a christian nation.

[Deesse23]

I have to chuckle everytime, i hear about this "Hitler and paganism" myth. People indeed were watching too much Indiana Jones. Himmler, Himmler was a different kind of animal in this regard. He was an occultist nutcase.

If anything is needed to put the myth about occultism in the Nazi elite to rest:
After Heß* infamous flight to England, occultists were rounded up across the Reich on June, 9th, on order of Heydrich, and as we all know, Heydrich never was joking around.ever.

* who was, next to Himmler, the 2nd occultist nutcase

[Fake Messiah]

The man known as “Russian Leonardo DiCaprio” will be soon mentioned in the RIP thread.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30893860/r...t-ukraine/

[A. Secular Human]

@Leonardo17


I also have books on occultism in my library, it doesn’t make me an occultist. I also own books on geology, Roman legions, elephants, and trees (among other topics). This doesn’t mean I’m a geologist, a centurion, a zookeeper, or an arborist.

Boru

   I still believe that reading them or having read them is not always the same thing. Just as a personal note: I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual. So I’m going to repeat this story:
 

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“There was one this student who wanted his master to teach him how to walk on water. So his master gave him a few mantras to repeat at certain times of the day. Than the student used these mantras as instructed and became able to walk on water and cross the river by foot. Than somebody told him: - If you had given a few rupees to one of the fisherman one of them would have carried you across the river without any of the efforts that you have committed to this until now”  
 
   Many Yogis describe the Occult as some sort of forgotten technology. (Yaggadish Vassudev has a few youtube Videos on that). But the main thing in our age is that we can use the telephone instead of telepathy, medicine instead of magic and smart bombs or hacked beepers instead of voodoo dolls. It’s a matter of efficiency
 
   But on a personal level and by this I don’t mean those who read stuff out of curiosity, I sort of match this kind of stuff very well with extremely self-involved who thing they are better than everyone else or have an ideology that is designed to remake and save the world in a manner that is based on some Ego-based ideology.
 

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   On the other hand: There was a public fascination with these ideologies from many writers, movie-makers or event documentary series. So some facts were probably exaggerated. But Hitler is also known for restoring some pagan rituals and holidays as a way of bringing the German people closer to its roots in pre-Christian Antiquity. That was the romantic side of Nazism. But yes, my Wolfenstein 4D type of theory on Nazi Occultism seems to be a little exaggerated.

"I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual."

When I ask ten people what "spiritual" means, I get ten different answers.

What's your take?

[arewethereyet]

^Hearing someone declare how spiritual they are sounds to be as an attempt to prove themselves somehow as superior.

The use of random emojis doesn't lessen the ick factor.

[Fireball]

Somebody starts talking about being "spiritual", I hear "simp".

[Ivan Denisovich]

   I still believe that reading them or having read them is not always the same thing. Just as a personal note: I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual. So I’m going to repeat this story:
 

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“There was one this student who wanted his master to teach him how to walk on water. So his master gave him a few mantras to repeat at certain times of the day. Than the student used these mantras as instructed and became able to walk on water and cross the river by foot. Than somebody told him: - If you had given a few rupees to one of the fisherman one of them would have carried you across the river without any of the efforts that you have committed to this until now”  
 
   Many Yogis describe the Occult as some sort of forgotten technology. (Yaggadish Vassudev has a few youtube Videos on that). But the main thing in our age is that we can use the telephone instead of telepathy, medicine instead of magic and smart bombs or hacked beepers instead of voodoo dolls. It’s a matter of efficiency
 
   But on a personal level and by this I don’t mean those who read stuff out of curiosity, I sort of match this kind of stuff very well with extremely self-involved who thing they are better than everyone else or have an ideology that is designed to remake and save the world in a manner that is based on some Ego-based ideology.
 

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   On the other hand: There was a public fascination with these ideologies from many writers, movie-makers or event documentary series. So some facts were probably exaggerated. But Hitler is also known for restoring some pagan rituals and holidays as a way of bringing the German people closer to its roots in pre-Christian Antiquity. That was the romantic side of Nazism. But yes, my Wolfenstein 4D type of theory on Nazi Occultism seems to be a little exaggerated.

"I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual."

When I ask ten people what "spiritual" means, I get ten different answers.

What's your take?

It's some kind of woo.

[Silver]

On spirituality: it's like sherbert thinking it's healthier than ice cream.

[Thumpalumpacus]

   I still believe that reading them or having read them is not always the same thing. Just as a personal note: I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual. So I’m going to repeat this story:
 

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“There was one this student who wanted his master to teach him how to walk on water. So his master gave him a few mantras to repeat at certain times of the day. Than the student used these mantras as instructed and became able to walk on water and cross the river by foot. Than somebody told him: - If you had given a few rupees to one of the fisherman one of them would have carried you across the river without any of the efforts that you have committed to this until now”  
 
   Many Yogis describe the Occult as some sort of forgotten technology. (Yaggadish Vassudev has a few youtube Videos on that). But the main thing in our age is that we can use the telephone instead of telepathy, medicine instead of magic and smart bombs or hacked beepers instead of voodoo dolls. It’s a matter of efficiency
 
   But on a personal level and by this I don’t mean those who read stuff out of curiosity, I sort of match this kind of stuff very well with extremely self-involved who thing they are better than everyone else or have an ideology that is designed to remake and save the world in a manner that is based on some Ego-based ideology.
 

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   On the other hand: There was a public fascination with these ideologies from many writers, movie-makers or event documentary series. So some facts were probably exaggerated. But Hitler is also known for restoring some pagan rituals and holidays as a way of bringing the German people closer to its roots in pre-Christian Antiquity. That was the romantic side of Nazism. But yes, my Wolfenstein 4D type of theory on Nazi Occultism seems to be a little exaggerated.

"I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual."

When I ask ten people what "spiritual" means, I get ten different answers.

What's your take?

Fucking Christ. There's how many threads where this is discussed already and you gotta drag it in here as well?

This thread is not about spirituality. It's about the war in Ukraine. These folks are fighting for their lives and somehow it becomes here about whether "spirituality" is meaningful? Do you think they give a shit about it?

Ask your question in the appropriate goddamned thread. Only on an atheist forum can people climb up their own asses like this. Because when you've got missiles raining down and tanks rolling forward spirituality is not your primary concern.

ETA: All the others imputing "simp", "woo", or "superior", that's nice. At least you got to fire off a round you know others will clap at. Bravo, ta-ta, attaboy, and so on.

[The Grand Nudger]

The ukranians are fighting for each other and the idea of a nation, the russians are fighting for loan sharks and ladas.