Russia and Ukraine

[Deesse23]

Part of which "aggressive alliance" with the intend to destroy Belaquas motherland was Ukraine in 2022? Did i miss something?
ooooooo....it was preemptive, before Ukraine could join NATO and NATO attack Russia!? Guess who argued that his invasion of the Soviet Union was a preemptive strike?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Part of which "aggressive alliance" with the intend to destroy Belaquas motherland was Ukraine in 2022? Did i miss something?
ooooooo....it was preemptive, before Ukraine could join NATO and NATO attack Russia!? Guess who argued that his invasion of the Soviet Union was a preemptive strike?

Preemptive strikes are the geopolitical version of a schoolyard bully's excuse, 'I thought he was going to hit me, so I hit him back first.'

Boru

[Deesse23]

No, no no: His face hit your fist at high speed! He smashed his head into your fist. How aggressive! How are you supposed to bully around the Baltic boys on your shoolyard with sore knuckles?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-alxZvUCS8

Bradley makes the same error in judgement that Gates made. The claim that the economic conditions in Russia after the Cold War were so bad that they made Russian aggression all but impossible, so expanding NATO was a 'blunder' doesn't hold water. The economic collapse of the USSR made military aggression MORE likely, not less. The time to fortify your village is when the barbarians begin to cast a baleful eye over your goods, not when the attack has already started.

Clausewitz famously said that war is the extension of politics by other means. He might have justifiably added that war is an economic remedy of desperate States.

Boru

[Ivan Denisovich]

Part of which "aggressive alliance" with the intend to destroy Belaquas motherland was Ukraine in 2022? Did i miss something?
ooooooo....it was preemptive, before Ukraine could join NATO and NATO attack Russia!? Guess who argued that his invasion of the Soviet Union was a preemptive strike?

To be fair to owner of world most reviled mustache it might have been preemptive strike though I can't be arsed to look through all my books to confirm it. However there is no analogy here as only deluded clowns think that Ukraine planned to attack russia whereas SU aggression on III Reich while didn't happen wasn't something impossible. It's not like morals would stop them or like they did not have motive common to all imperialist powers.

[Paleophyte]

I thought about bringing history of tsarist russia and ussr but modern russia was aggressive enough to made my point with it attacking (among others) Chechnya, Georgia and of course Ukraine. russia been worried about it's borders because history of russia consist mostly of wars. To me at least it is understandable that aggressor measures everyone else by its own morals or rather lack of them and thus become paranoid.

To me it's absurd that anyone would use this argument of NATO threatening "poor, oppressed" russia. Nudger I think made right connection between russia apologists and rape apologists when he wrote

Because a woman wearing a skirt is very similar to an aggressive military alliance led by a country which makes no secret of the fact that it wants to break your country up into smaller units and control your natural resources.

So, what Russia and its allies want to do to Ukraine. Remind me why you're cheering for the rapist.

[The Grand Nudger]

You may be disappointed to hear that the Ukrainian International Legionnaires Unit has been "effectively dismantled." Too many of them got killed. The survivors have been reassigned to regular units.

If you are not yet 60, and you believe that people should be dying to protect Western civilization in the Donbas, there is no reason not to join up.

Wrong, as usual. Foreign units are being disbanded because Ukraine has corrected battlefield density numbers for the drone landscape, and spent the last few years training a professional army that they didn’t have when Russia invaded. Being a breathing body is no longer the main qualification for service.

The big thing they were looking for to justify the difficulty of incorporating non natives was experience. Now, after years of russias elective invasion, they have their own nco core with much more recent and relevant experience than they can get anywhere else. This has put them iin an incredible position compared to when it began, as they have yet to tap into the 18-24yr demo. AKA Prime Groundpounding Material. Who will now have people to train them.

Meanwhile, in russia. Soldiers on the front line keep appealing to the great man in moscow on social media. The recruits are old, sick, crazy, poorly trained, and poorly equipped. The commanders are corrupt, farming assault units for "life support" payments. If only the tsar knew! The very thing that has often been cited as the engine of russian inevitability has stalled and locked up on the field. At their current rate of advance it would take until the 2030s, and millions more dead and wounded, just to consolidate control over the donbas - which would be a smoldering wreck worth nothing to russia at that point.

[Fake Messiah]

A Polish man who did not believe that Russia had invaded Ukraine traveled to the occupied territories to see for himself, and died in a Russian prison after being tortured.

The individual, identified as Krzysztof Galos from Kraków, reportedly crossed into Ukraine in mid-April 2023. According to Gazeta Wyborcza, he was skeptical of news coverage about the war and decided to investigate the situation personally.

Surveillance footage later confirmed his vehicle was near the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. At some point, he entered territory controlled by Russian forces and was detained at a military checkpoint.

According to Memorial, Galos was imprisoned in the Taganrog detention center in southern Russia, where he was subjected to torture. A former Ukrainian prisoner of war and another informant familiar with the facility confirmed to Gazeta Wyborcza that a Polish man named Krzysztof was held and died in the prison in June 2023.

His son, Paweł Galos, has since appealed to Russian authorities, including the Ministry of Justice and the prosecutor’s office, for clarification regarding his father’s status and the possible repatriation of his remains.

https://united24media.com/latest-news/po...tody-14801

[Leonardo17]

Ivan Denisovich:
 
Yet this is what the propaganda machine is telling the people in all former USSR territories. In Georgia they say that “The West” mainly wants Georgia just to be able to put American Missiles in their territories.
 
Actually Nuclear missiles can be launched to Russia from many other places. But somehow “the Evil West” needs Georgia (or Ukraine, Or Moldova, or Belarus, or the Baltic states) to launch nuclear missiles into Russia.
 
But that’s how disinformation works somehow. The more illogical it is, the more the propaganda machine likes these themes.
 
On the Paris Summit of January 6:
 
I was sort of listening to the news yesterday. There was a new “coalition of the willing” summit in Paris.
 
The French President Macron and the British Premier Keir Starmer both made a speech and there was an American delegation there too. Moscow has not yet shown any sign that it would approve the deal. But there is a drafted peace plan for Ukraine right now.
 
- There will be a cease-fire with borders set at the location of military troops right now (so Russia will keep the 20% of Ukrainian Territory it already took).

- There will be European ground troops in Ukraine (French + British but no German Troops) to guarantee the peace.

- The US will back these European troops if Russia violates the cease fire.

- Moscow is yet to show signs that it is willing to sign that kind of peace deal.

- It will be a huge political success for D. Trump if Putin accepts this deal and the war in Ukraine finally comes to an end:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospa...026-01-06/

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

The US will back these European troops if Russia violates the cease fire.

I wouldn’t bet on that.

Boru