Russia and Ukraine

[WinterHold]

You are not even interpreting total batshit ignoramus nonsense right.

Speaking to you away from religious text now:

did you hear Putin's speech yesterday or the day before? the man was stating explicitly that Ukraine is a Russian land, invaded by NATO and the west, despite all the Minsk crap Putin signed. He was officially saying that it's time it becomes Russian again.

You don't say that in today's world unless you have "backup" giving you courage.

Russia's atomic arsenal is not enough to defeat NATO and America. There must be somebody else lurking in the shadows.

[Anomalocaris]

The back ups are

1. the west lack of any credible deployable land and air power that can remotely approach Russian lamd and air military capabilities in Ukraine and Belorus,  So Russian can militarily do whatever it wants there and no one can directly stop them
2. Russian nuclear arsenal makes any threat to attack Russia elsewhere in retaliation for Russian attack in Ukraine inconceivable and thus totally not credible.
3. Europe can’t even keep all the lights on, much less also supply all the heating needs, without Russian gas, so in the end the threat of long term economic retaliation too severe for russia to bear is also not credible.   Because russia could easily make the consequences of severe economic sanction on Russia unbearable for Europe.

And there is the fact that in the long run the west fears china whose economy is 10 times bigger and whose technology is competitive across many more areas, much more than Russia, which allows Russia to threaten to play the China card if the west still fail to come to their senses and realize they held no cards in this game in Ukraine which the west started.

Basically the west made some heroic poses, bragged a lot, made a show of nailing their own dicks to Ukraine, and now realized they can neither move away from Ukraine, nor keep Putin from cutting off their dicks.

Compare to western overreach and general lack of clue about the underlying balance of power, Putin is a master.    In truth, I would not say he had been particularly brilliant.   But he played his hand without serious errors.   Unlike the west, which does not appear to even know the rules.

[The Grand Nudger]

IDK if that's true, so much that even though putin may make many serious errors, they're not as consequential as they might be, could be, or should be, given the vast and uniform field of incompetence allayed against his own interests.

[The Architect Of Fate]

In the Quran, apocalypse comes when the barrier of Gog & Magog is opened. 
I thought Gog & Magog were Europeans; but I made a miscalculation; it turns out that they were composed of two nations:

Nope 

1-Asian Mongols (they invaded China)
2-Some Russains and Eastern Europeans  (The Golden horde)

That's absurd  

Their alliance is your doom. I bet you back that China is with Russia all along, that's why Putin was so bold.
I think China will invade Taiwan.

Nope

The west can't take the Golden horde and Asian Mongols without utilising nukes. Maybe Gog & Magog will begin nuking.

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Speaking to you away from religious text now:

But not away from pure lunacy 

did you hear Putin's speech yesterday or the day before? the man was stating explicitly that Ukraine is a Russian land, invaded by NATO and the west, despite all the Minsk crap Putin signed. He was officially saying that it's time it becomes Russian again.

Yup and none of it back your crazy talk 

You don't say that in today's world unless you have "backup" giving you courage.

Or  your a person with delusions of rebuilding a dead state 

Russia's atomic arsenal is not enough to defeat NATO and America. There must be somebody else lurking in the shadows.

No ones going to use nukes moron 

[Deesse23]

A new alliance is being formed between Russia, China and other regimes in the shadows right now.
Putin did not invade unless "something" gave him the courage to do it, unless he knows exactly that there are "allies" backing him up.

This is the manifestation of WW3. This is the tip of the iceberg, nukes will be utilised.

Oh, look who is back, the rape apologist who has no idea about international politics. 

[The Grand Nudger]

Winter doesn't now shit and can't know shit. It's beyond any islamist.

Nothing high minded, just that Puty has like...three(?) daughters. I doubt he has any interest in leaving them an uninhabitable wasteland.

[onlinebiker]

My guess - Putin is going to push an invasion - and the Ukrainians will eat Vlad' s lunch.


1. The Russian troops are mostly conscripts. Their only motivation is staying alive till the end of their service obligation.

2. The Ukrainians don' t have a lot of the heavy artillery - but they do have good arms and highly motivated troops ... Think Afghanistan and Vietnam... The guys with the tanks and APCs and the big air power didn' t do so well there.....

[HappySkeptic]

I think Putin is going to annex the Eastern portions of Ukraine, and keep the option on the table of taking the rest when he sees fit.

German reliance on Russian gas guarantees that the response from the West will be only a minor inconvenience. I heard Putin has 600 Billion dollars in reserve. He can run his country for years on that (if he hasn't stolen it already).

[Angrboda]

I think Putin is going to annex the Eastern portions of Ukraine, and keep the option on the table of taking the rest when he sees fit.

German reliance on Russian gas guarantees that the response from the West will be only a minor inconvenience.  I heard Putin has 600 Billion dollars in reserve.  He can run his country for years on that (if he hasn't stolen it already).

That seems reasonable. It's also possible he'll make a pretext along the border of the separatist region and invade the rest of the Donbas. Both Ukraine and the rest of the world would be unlikely to put up much resistance, and the world would get used to it just like they have Crimea.

[Pat Mustard]

I am willing bet you a gazillion dollars AND my new foam novelty hat in the shape of a rude hand gesture that nukes will not be used.

Boru

In the Quran, apocalypse comes when the barrier of Gog & Magog is opened. 
I thought Gog & Magog were Europeans; but I made a miscalculation; it turns out that they were composed of two nations:

1-Asian Mongols (they invaded China)
2-Some Russains and Eastern Europeans  (The Golden horde)

Their alliance is your doom. I bet you back that China is with Russia all along, that's why Putin was so bold.
I think China will invade Taiwan.

The west can't take the Golden horde and Asian Mongols without utilising nukes. Maybe Gog & Magog will begin nuking.

Tell me what hallucinogenic substance you are currently imbibing? I want to know so I can avoid it.

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I think Putin is going to annex the Eastern portions of Ukraine, and keep the option on the table of taking the rest when he sees fit.

German reliance on Russian gas guarantees that the response from the West will be only a minor inconvenience.  I heard Putin has 600 Billion dollars in reserve.  He can run his country for years on that (if he hasn't stolen it already).

Germany told Russia that it can stuff it's gas up it's arse on Tuesday. All this war is doing at the moment is alienating the customers Russia needs to keep from being the world's first fourth world country.

PS any Russian occupation outside of the small slivers of failed state territories in the Donbass it's vassal breakaway states already hold will cause problems that will eclipse Vietnam, every single day of said occupation.