Posts: 44025
Threads: 529
Joined: July 24, 2013
Reputation:
109
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 5:49 pm
(September 22, 2022 at 4:35 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 22, 2022 at 3:19 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Their weapons aren't great, and of course many of them are indeed outdated. But I think they're pretty capable of developing some very high-tech stuff if they could find the funding, which has been the main thing hamstringing the Russian military for the last three decades. They didn't need a war to develop the S-500 or the Kalibr cruise missile, among other programs, for instance.
Well, it looks like Russia is going to lose this one, unless they use nuclear weapons. Over the last few weeks Ukraine has been steam-rolling over them. Who's to say that some political border on some map is going to stop them? Why not just drive their tank columns to Moscow to arrest Putin & Friends on the spot?
Russia’s going to lose this one even IF they use nuclear weapons.
Boru
On second thought, make that ‘especially if’.
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
Posts: 10821
Threads: 29
Joined: December 8, 2019
Reputation:
14
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 6:20 pm
Wow another prominent Russian has an "accident" down a flight of stairs 
https://www.businessinsider.com/another-...irs-2022-9
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
![[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0630%2F5310%2F3332%2Fproducts%2FCanada_Flag.jpg%3Fv%3D1646203843)
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Posts: 8035
Threads: 47
Joined: September 12, 2015
Reputation:
41
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 6:27 pm
(September 21, 2022 at 8:51 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 21, 2022 at 8:04 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: And -- who's going to retrain those reservists? The same guys who trained the first wave? Where are those guys right now?
I don't believe this represents any increase in Russian combat power. I believe this represents the Russians threatening a longer war in the hopes of wearing out Western support. But I think it will fail because without redirecting their doctrine and training they will simply be sending more troops into the shooting gallery -- even as the West is sending more arty, and training Ukrainians to fly F-16s, and now pondering the supply of older Abrams tanks.
In short, it's a move borne out of both fear and optics. It's also a big gamble in that the protests will widen and Putin's popularity will wane further. In essence, I think Putin is staking his regime on this war with this move. I think it's throwing good money after bad. He's scared and feeling cornered.
My guess is that Putin wants a long war. The Russians are not dumb, as they have had their share of Nobel winners and chess grandmasters; fact is that the Russian army sucks, and Putin & Friends know this. Fighting against Ukraine with its modern Western weapons is allowing Russia to develop and enhance their weaponry. In addition, Putin wants Trump back in power, and having an extended war will make the World economy sag and Biden look bad.
Putain can't afford a long war. Frankly Putain probably can't prolong the war in to winter, given that his army has already run out of proper equipment.
Urbs Antiqua Fuit Studiisque Asperrima Belli
Home
Posts: 7259
Threads: 506
Joined: December 12, 2015
Reputation:
22
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 8:43 pm
(September 22, 2022 at 5:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (September 22, 2022 at 4:35 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Well, it looks like Russia is going to lose this one, unless they use nuclear weapons. Over the last few weeks Ukraine has been steam-rolling over them. Who's to say that some political border on some map is going to stop them? Why not just drive their tank columns to Moscow to arrest Putin & Friends on the spot?
Russia’s going to lose this one even IF they use nuclear weapons.
Boru
On second thought, make that ‘especially if’.
And, so, is this it? Global thermonuclear war??
Posts: 2755
Threads: 8
Joined: November 28, 2014
Reputation:
22
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 10:15 pm
(September 22, 2022 at 8:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, so, is this it? Global thermonuclear war??
Welll... if thier nukes works as well as most of their other stuff.....
Maybe they (The Russians) should be more affraid of their own? 
Not at work.
Posts: 66325
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
160
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 10:41 pm
(September 22, 2022 at 8:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 22, 2022 at 5:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Russia’s going to lose this one even IF they use nuclear weapons.
Boru
On second thought, make that ‘especially if’.
And, so, is this it? Global thermonuclear war??
We'd have to ask the nutball rattling the saber.
Honestly, I doubt that Putin wants to end the world. He spent alot of time collecting things in it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 7259
Threads: 506
Joined: December 12, 2015
Reputation:
22
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 10:42 pm
(September 22, 2022 at 10:15 pm)Peebothuhlu Wrote: (September 22, 2022 at 8:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, so, is this it? Global thermonuclear war??
Welll... if thier nukes works as well as most of their other stuff.....
Maybe they (The Russians) should be more affraid of their own?
Not at work.
Makes one wonder if they are/were nothing but this impotent, paper tiger, and the entire Cold War (if it could even be called a "war") was really about nothing?
Maybe the United States, Israel and NATO should attack Russia now, while they are at a weak point??
Posts: 66325
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
160
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 10:47 pm
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2022 at 10:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 22, 2022 at 11:48 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Beyond that, the Russians have always had decent R&D for their gear, so I'm not sure how much this war will advance their weapons-development. They spend what, 60 bil a year on their military? Bound to have some nice toys lying around. Trouble being that the guys billing them for that gear were duct taping over the shelf cameras to the units and pocketing the difference.
(September 22, 2022 at 11:51 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: He may have wanted a week-long blitz at first, but I think now he understands that his only hope (and it's a thin reed indeed) is a war lasting long enough to tire out the Western nations supporting Ukraine. He's hoping to do that by pitchforking a few hundred thousand poor lads into the fire. As long as russia is in ukraine, then ukraine will have the support of the single largest contributor of equipment for the cause. 
Anywho...why would anyone attack russia? They've got a bunch of broke dick grifters for a military, but that doesn't seem like a good reason to launch missiles at their cities.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 10821
Threads: 29
Joined: December 8, 2019
Reputation:
14
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 10:50 pm
(September 22, 2022 at 10:42 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 22, 2022 at 10:15 pm)Peebothuhlu Wrote: Welll... if thier nukes works as well as most of their other stuff.....
Maybe they (The Russians) should be more affraid of their own?
Not at work.
Makes one wonder if they are/were nothing but this impotent, paper tiger, and the entire Cold War (if it could even be called a "war") was really about nothing?
Maybe the United States, Israel and NATO should attack Russia now, while they are at a weak point?? I wouldn't go that far. The Soviets were not a paper tiger and an invasion of modern Russia would not be easy by any stretch. Let's avoid copying their hubris.
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Posts: 7259
Threads: 506
Joined: December 12, 2015
Reputation:
22
RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 22, 2022 at 11:30 pm
(September 22, 2022 at 10:50 pm)Helios Wrote: (September 22, 2022 at 10:42 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Makes one wonder if they are/were nothing but this impotent, paper tiger, and the entire Cold War (if it could even be called a "war") was really about nothing?
Maybe the United States, Israel and NATO should attack Russia now, while they are at a weak point?? I wouldn't go that far. The Soviets were not a paper tiger and an invasion of modern Russia would not be easy by any stretch. Let's avoid copying their hubris.
It would be a way to rid the World of Putin and his cronies.
|
