Russia and Ukraine

[The Grand Nudger]

An interesting story, that speaks to a comment above. The missile that sank Moskva? Wasn't the first time they'd tried to use them. They attempted to use them against transport ships (which would have stopped another advance cold)..but..because the flight path took them over a ukranian city, they pushed them higher up in altitude to reduce the possibility of collateral damage or mishap..and in so doing, put them into the detection envelope for russian air defense.

Could have said fuck it, and gutted those boats. Didn't..because they aren't fucking idiots, which is more than can be said for whomever is running the russian side of this war, victimizing their own troops in a silly plan to victimize the other guys grandma. That's the thing that sticks out to me most in russian cow. I find it difficult to understand how a person could rise to military authority without realizing that killing your own men in a bid to strengthen the enemies resolve through pure unfiltered hatred is a losers bet...? As Zelinskyy mentioned in the meet with biden yesterday, russia is creating people whose only reason to live..is vengeance. People for whom there can be no peace. That's a problem that won't go away even if the war ends tomorrow.

IMO, putin and his admin are going to end up going down in russian history..as one of if not the worst bits of leadership they've ever had.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You can write all of that blather but still cannot be bothered to provide evidence for your claim. You are indeed an Internet Bullshit Artist and will be treated as such henceforth.

What a stupid cunt.

So you dismiss the Cosby accusers off hand, you think Casey Antony had nothing to do with her daughter's death, and you think Dick Cheney never lied and he legitimately thought there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Thanks for admitting it.

You don't apparently know what "So let's make your next reply to me about the evidence to back up your claim. Absent that, you'll have confirmed to me that you're just another Internet Bullshit Artist, and I will treat you accordingly. Understood?" actually means, because you completely forgot to bring your evidence.

I therefore reject your point.

The fact that your reading comprehension is so shoddy only reinforces my opinion that you're unworthy of further conversation, and merit only mockery ... as with any other clown. I don't log online to read idiots, and I won't make an exception for you.

I'd invite you to rethink your stance here, but your seventeen neurons are obviously overtaxed as it is, clearly.

*plonk*

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But it clearly doesn’t matter what Ukraine wants (at least according to IA). They are simply a lackey of Western Imperialism and don’t care about trivial shit like self-determination. It’s much easier to wait for Boris to tell them what to do.

Boru

If NATO wasn't providing all of the weapons, I'd be fine with Ukraine fighting to the last man, if that's what they wanted to do. What I'm not fine with, is a war between NATO and Russia, which is happening now, unofficially. What I'm not fine with, is us going deep into Russia to attack their bases. We did that. NATO. And Ukrainians are freezing right now because of NATO.

Should Ukraine have accepted the peace deal? Who the hell knows. The West/United States was arming rebels in Syria knowing that those weapons were mostly falling into the hands of Al Qaeda and Isis and their affiliates, and now NATO is going deep into Russia to attack their bases. That's a hair away from WWIII. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton brought open slave markets back to the streets of Libya, so why would the US getting involved in things ever be a bad idea? I don't know. NATO are the good guys, right, so what is there to worry about? A world war has never happened before, right, twice, so like Helios says, we should just assume that a world war is never going to happen again. Nukes are irrelevant. They may as well not exist, etc, etc. This is what I'm told by Helios.

Ukrainians are freezing because of Russia. You must know that, it’s kind of a, whaddyacallit, news story.

Boru

[Ranjr]

[The Architect Of Fate]

If NATO wasn't providing all of the weapons, I'd be fine with Ukraine fighting to the last man, if that's what they wanted to do. What I'm not fine with, is a war between NATO and Russia, which is happening now, unofficially. What I'm not fine with, is us going deep into Russia to attack their bases. We did that. NATO. And Ukrainians are freezing right now because of NATO.

Should Ukraine have accepted the peace deal? Who the hell knows. The West/United States was arming rebels in Syria knowing that those weapons were mostly falling into the hands of Al Qaeda and Isis and their affiliates, and now NATO is going deep into Russia to attack their bases. That's a hair away from WWIII. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton brought open slave markets back to the streets of Libya, so why would the US getting involved in things ever be a bad idea? I don't know. NATO are the good guys, right, so what is there to worry about? A world war has never happened before, right, twice, so like Helios says, we should just assume that a world war is never going to happen again. Nukes are irrelevant. They may as well not exist, etc, etc. This is what I'm told by Helios.

Ukrainians are freezing because of Russia. You must know that, it’s kind of a, whaddyacallit, news story.

Boru

But...but Ukraine could just roll over and let itself get conquered and NATO could just sit back and let it happen. Because that's totally reasonable.....Nuclear, WW3, NATO BAD!!!, Infinite Whataboutism, Blindly Trust Putin... yadda yadda yadda...

[Thumpalumpacus]

If might makes right, and the Russians are losing, what does that say? And what's to complain about? If it's a dog-eat-dog world, you might want to be careful picking your targets.

[Irreligious Atheist]

If NATO wasn't providing all of the weapons, I'd be fine with Ukraine fighting to the last man, if that's what they wanted to do. What I'm not fine with, is a war between NATO and Russia, which is happening now, unofficially. What I'm not fine with, is us going deep into Russia to attack their bases. We did that. NATO. And Ukrainians are freezing right now because of NATO.

Should Ukraine have accepted the peace deal? Who the hell knows. The West/United States was arming rebels in Syria knowing that those weapons were mostly falling into the hands of Al Qaeda and Isis and their affiliates, and now NATO is going deep into Russia to attack their bases. That's a hair away from WWIII. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton brought open slave markets back to the streets of Libya, so why would the US getting involved in things ever be a bad idea? I don't know. NATO are the good guys, right, so what is there to worry about? A world war has never happened before, right, twice, so like Helios says, we should just assume that a world war is never going to happen again. Nukes are irrelevant. They may as well not exist, etc, etc. This is what I'm told by Helios.

Ukrainians are freezing because of Russia. You must know that, it’s kind of a, whaddyacallit, news story.

Boru

And when NATO attacks Russian bases, you are only giving Russia victim points so they look justified in hitting you back harder. If the war stays in Ukraine, we can keep pushing the narrative that Russia isn't a victim in this. Once the war comes to Russia, all bets are off, and they are justified in striking back hard as hell, and freezing people to death.

[The Grand Nudger]

NATO isn't attacking anyone, so......? I'm not sure what lunacy you're on about with pushing some narrative where russia isn't a victim in this as well. It most certainly is, of poor russian leadership. Chiefly, Vlad The Great Miscalculator. The man who is not, and would not, have waited till "the war came to russia" to freeze people to death - which is a warcrime. The man who cares as little about his own troops as he does about ukranian civilians. In a deliciously wicked twist of fate, I suppose this isn't surprising, as he's claimed that -both- ukranians, and his own troops, didn't exist...and he claimed that about his own men first....rendering every single one of them terrorists in the process...as (alleged) non state and ununiformed actors engaged in a campaign against civilian targets to achieve a political outcome.

NATOs shame, in all of this, is not that they're attacking russia, but that they didn't help then - which is why ukraine now finds itself here. Your shame, is that there's no completely ignorant take that you won't beclown yourself for, by going all-in on. Pace yourself, maybe? Just like your obsession with white supremacy, this group of people you're stanning for would kill you, not thank you, for your service. Just ask the donbass cannon fodder.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ukrainians are freezing because of Russia. You must know that, it’s kind of a, whaddyacallit, news story.

Boru

And when NATO attacks Russian bases, you are only giving Russia victim points so they look justified in hitting you back harder. If the war stays in Ukraine, we can keep pushing the narrative that Russia isn't a victim in this. Once the war comes to Russia, all bets are off, and they are justified in striking back hard as hell, and freezing people to death.

It’s a good thing Russia never fired missiles at a single Ukrainian power station before their bases were hit, I suppose. 

Ukraine hitting the airbase inside Russia isn’t the cause of Russia attacking the Ukrainian power grid, it’s the response to it.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

And when NATO attacks Russian bases, you are only giving Russia victim points so they look justified in hitting you back harder.

There is no scenario where Russia gets victim points after all the shit pulled in Ukraine thus far (bombing hospitals anyone). Russia doesn't care about justifying its actions' It's going to escalate its attacks regardless because it's desperate to win at any cost. Oh, and NATO isn't attacking Russia it's Ukraine that's attacking Russia.

 If the war stays in Ukraine, we can keep pushing the narrative that Russia isn't a victim in this.

No, if we keep it in Ukraine Russia will have fully operational bases they can use for bombing. No one will buy Russia is a victim considering they're the ones who started this shit. It would be like Hilter whining to the Allies that they invaded Germany after all the shit they pulled. This is a very silly argument.

Once the war comes to Russia, all bets are off, and they are justified in striking back hard as hell, and freezing people to death.

Russia already believes all bets are off(except nukes because they will use those ever) you seem to think Russia has been holding back or something. They have not been. They have thrown virtually all their conventional arms into this conflict and have watched them be ground into the mud. They are freaking mobilizing Museum pieces to bolster their forces and buying defective ammunition from North Korea for fucks sake.