Russia and Ukraine

[Leonardo17]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

[Leonardo17]

If we go by the standards the Pentagon uses, the locations from which the US assists with missile strikes have become legitimate military targets. Don't see how anything bad could come from that.

Wow, legitimate military targets?

You know what already are legitimate targets, according to the Briand-Kellog pact (the reason why Putin didnt use the words "war" for the war of aggression he started in Ukraine)?


Legitimate as any airbase in russia from which bombers are taking off to kill ukrainian civilians via cruise missiles?
Legitimate targets, as in any russian ammo dump used to store artillery shells to flatten ukrainian cities?
Legitimate targets like cruisers of the Black Sea Fleet?
Legitimate targets like iranian drones used to destroy ukrainian infrastructure and kill ukrainian people?

Legitimate as any piece of the russian military, SINCE RUSSIA IS WAGING AN ILLEGAL WAR OF AGRESSION? You know from where the "bad things" already came from? From Russias invasion of Ukraine.

Fucking troll

+ The US is clearly supervising these kind of things. They are very careful for instance in not letting the Ukrainians strike targets inside Russia. So there is some sort of balance. It’s definitely not a war between NATO and Russia. And if I read the issue right. Obama was close to supporting Syrian rebels during the Arab spring in 2015. But he decided to not stop the Russians there but to prepare for the war in Ukraine instead. That’s how I read it.  

[Leonardo17]

If we go by the standards the Pentagon uses, the locations from which the US assists with missile strikes have become legitimate military targets. Don't see how anything bad could come from that.

Dutch F35s intercepted 3 russian ELINT jets over NATO aispace in Poland (Actually one Il-20 with two SU-27 escorts). The russian jets probably came from Kaliningrad and were escorted back.

Of course you dont see how anything bad could come from that, right?

- This is just a show of force. Their land army is gone. So they are hoping for a new offensive based on air superiority. But with all the air defenses that were supplied to Ukraine, I don’t think this is going to work either. So what a mess, what a mess.

[Belacqua]

he has published his latest book in Japan because he has been ostracized by several writers in “Le Figaro” or in “Le Monde”. 

If you listen to the interview, he says that he published the book in Japan because the mainstream media in France is all in for war. As in the US, anti-war voices are sidelined. It was that way before Afghanistan and before Iraq. 

The Japanese government will do whatever the US tells it to do regarding the war, but the Japanese people tend to dislike war. 

Canada, the US, most of Western Europe, Japan, New Zealand, and Australia are under the sway of the corporate, pro-war media. When someone says "the world condemns Russia," these countries are what they mean by "the world." 

Nearly all of South America, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia (excluding Japan) get different news from what people on this thread hear. That's the majority of people in the world. I'm sure you believe what you read, just as you did before Afghanistan and Iraq. Not everybody does.

[Deesse23]

Excellent speech here by a historian who understands that the real import of the Ukraine war is economics.

Pseudointellectualism strikes again. Bels usual modus operandi (try to google that one)

#1 Demonstrate that you actually understand what Todd says, instead of trying to clickbait your audience (or implicating whoever doesnt is ignorant)
#2 Demonstrate that any of what Todd says is true
#3 Demonstrate how any of what he says is RELEVANT, because actually his main focus isnt history but demographics and anthropology, but i guess you conveniently ignored that part

#4 Even if you could do all of the above, demostrate that you understand what he says, and what he says is true and relevant: .....how does that justifiy Russias invasion of Ukraine and the war crime of DELIBERATELY (and to a major part) attacking its civilian infrastucture and killing of Ukrainian civilians? Amerca trying to regian whatever economic power or political position it once had on the world does justify IN WHAT WAY EXACLTY Russia invading Ukraine?
Good luck with that.


All you have is a big, fat "tu quoque" (you can google that one too)

[Fake Messiah]

I listened to a podcast a few months ago. The guy related how he saw one of these Russian Oligarchs while on vacation in Greek in some Greek İsland in the Aegean. There were two separate oligarchs in two separate beaches there. They would order the most expensive champagne and offer it to everyone on the beach. They were reportedly competing with one another on how much champagne they would offer to everyone on the beach. And these guys were said to be only drinking coca-cola (being already high on something else so that they are not willing to even drink anything themselves).

 

That’s the only thing happening in Russia since the collapse of the USSR. So here is my point of view on the subject:

That Zizek's article is interesting, especially how religion plays a role for Russians in that war

Russian clergy have been telling their congregations that they can “become themselves” only through the act of killing. The “special military operation” in Ukraine, they are told, is a struggle for “all of God’s creation.”

“Life is highly overrated. Why fear what is inevitable? Especially when we’re going to heaven. Death is the end of one earthly path and the beginning of another. Don’t let fear of death influence decisions. It’s only worth living for something you can die for, that’s the way it should be ... We are fighting against satanists. This is a holy war, and we have to win.”

Likewise, Magomed Khitanaev, a Chechen theologian and Russian army commander, portrays Ukraine as a latter-day Sodom and Gomorrah: “We’re asking: Oh, Ukrainians, why did you permit gay parades in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Odessa? Why did you permit it? Why didn’t you come out against them, against your government that was overtaken by fascists? Without shame before God, people, they are openly, manifestly spreading their filth.”

[The Architect Of Fate]

If you listen to the interview, he says that he published the book in Japan because the mainstream media in France is all in for war. As in the US, anti-war voices are sidelined. It was that way before Afghanistan and before Iraq. 

The Japanese government will do whatever the US tells it to do regarding the war, but the Japanese people tend to dislike war. 

Canada, the US, most of Western Europe, Japan, New Zealand, and Australia are under the sway of the corporate, pro-war media. When someone says "the world condemns Russia," these countries are what they mean by "the world." 

Nearly all of South America, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia (excluding Japan) get different news from what people on this thread hear. That's the majority of people in the world. I'm sure you believe what you read, just as you did before Afghanistan and Iraq. Not everybody does.

So more tinfoil bullshit from Bel mixed with false comparisons to  Afghanistan and Iraq and confusing "different news" with Anti Western Pro Russian Propaganda.

[The Architect Of Fate]

[The Grand Nudger]

- This is just a show of force. Their land army is gone. So they are hoping for a new offensive based on air superiority. But with all the air defenses that were supplied to Ukraine, I don’t think this is going to work either. So what a mess, what a mess.

I'm sure they appreciate the air defense we supplied - but, here, their own stuff is superior.  Ukraine uses the same aa missiles that russia, in desperation, has been refitting for ground targets.

The Japanese government will do whatever the US tells it to do regarding the war, but the Japanese people tend to dislike war. 

I guess we can add japan to the list of nations with no agency, alongside ukraine and russia, all dancing to whatever tune we play.