Russia and Ukraine

[Irreligious Atheist]

So first we got the Pentagon papers that show Ukraine has no choice but to negotiate because they will run out of soldiers, and China is actually willing to arm Russia, and now someone is trying to drone strike the Kremlin? Zelensky or someone else or false flag, I do not know, but if this was Zelensky, giving him weapons was far dumber than arming Al Qaeda and ISIS as Zelensky is the greater threat to the planet.

It was Russian propaganda.

Guaranteed.

Very high likelihood it was Russia shooting their own drone down in a staged attack. But can we at least agree that if it was Ukraine, this was very stupid, and that if this was done with drones supplied to Ukraine by the west, then we need to re-think supplying these things if this is where it gets us. Russia should get to keep the pro-Russian parts of Ukraine, and Ukraine should get the rest, while they agree to never join NATO. Reach a deal for peace. Remember, China said their red line for arming Russia would be if there were attacks by Ukraine or the West in Russia itself.

[arewethereyet]

I figure a 48 hour pass from the asylum.

Yeah, I wonder how accusing someone of spreading slurs against their own LGBTQ family members would make someone not want to come around and post much.

Did someone make you come back?

[Irreligious Atheist]

Yeah, I wonder how accusing someone of spreading slurs against their own LGBTQ family members would make someone not want to come around and post much.

Did someone make you come back?

Do you have a remark about Russia Ukraine, or are you just going to keep posting off topic personal attacks and dragging the thread down into the mud? Another case where the moderator gets to break all the rules, while I'm accused by an admin of posting hate speech and slurs against trans people, with no evidence that I did any such thing, and no pointing me out to any such quote that was written by me. A blatant lie. Rules for thee. Not for me. Just a tip. In the OP of the trans thread, please let posters know that it is basically an upset wife thread, meaning, "I don't want your input on the problem or a solution on how to improve the things I'm talking about. I just want to be heard and agreed with and a shoulder to cry on." If that's what you wanted the thread to be, you should have made that clearer. I remember a time when atheists were proud of the label free-thinker and we actually had discussions about things.

So, what are your thoughts on the Pentagon papers and the drone that was blown up over the Kremlin? You thinking false flag? Have any thoughts on the actual topic of the thread? Or is turning the conversation into a petty attack on me more important to you than discussing a major world event, and the implications of that major world event, that just happened?

[arewethereyet]

Did someone make you come back?

Do you have a remark about Russia Ukraine, or are you just going to keep posting off topic personal attacks and dragging the thread down into the mud? Another case where the moderator gets to break all the rules, while I'm accused by an admin of posting hate speech and slurs against trans people, with no evidence that I did any such thing, and no pointing me out to any such quote that was written by me. A blatant lie. Rules for thee. Not for me. Just a tip. In the OP of the trans thread, please let posters know that it is basically an upset wife thread, meaning, "I don't want your input on the problem or a solution on how to improve the things I'm talking about. I just want to be heard and agreed with and a shoulder to cry on." If that's what you wanted the thread to be, you should have made that clearer. I remember a time when atheists were proud of the label free-thinker and we actually had discussions about things.

So, what are your thoughts on the Pentagon papers and the drone that was blown up over the Kremlin? You thinking false flag? Have any thoughts on the actual topic of the thread? Or is turning the conversation into a petty attack on me more important to you than discussing a major world event, and the implications of that major world event, that just happened?

I think you are a troll, regardless of the topic.

Go whine to/at someone else, you poor mistreated baby.

One more time for the slow one in the back - there are no moderators here.

[The Grand Nudger]

Aaaaw, does the war in ukraine get up in your feels you racist troll, lol?

[Irreligious Atheist]

Aaaaw, does the war in ukraine get up in your feels you racist troll, lol?

My feels? How did you feel after the Pentagon papers debunked your whole narrative about the war, with Ukraine understanding that they need to negotiate, and soon? How are you feeling about peace through superior firepower from the West failing, yet again, like it has time and time again?

[The Grand Nudger]

See, that's the thing. I'm perfectly fine with ukraine not wanting to negotiate with terrorists no matter what. To you, maybe, ukraine is a footnote in how the west fails™ when it's not guarding whiteness and warcriming like a common russia...but, to me, things being rough is basically par for the course, not a reason to reverse course.

My amusement is as pure as the driven snow. I get my kicks when people kick you and yours in the mouth. Doesn't look like that's gonna stop happening anytime soon, no matter who has whos papers.

[The Grand Nudger]

It was Russian propaganda.

Guaranteed.

Very high likelihood it was Russia shooting their own drone down in a staged attack. But can we at least agree that if it was Ukraine, this was very stupid, and that if this was done with drones supplied to Ukraine by the west, then we need to re-think supplying these things if this is where it gets us. Russia should get to keep the pro-Russian parts of Ukraine, and Ukraine should get the rest, while they agree to never join NATO. Reach a deal for peace. Remember, China said their red line for arming Russia would be if there were attacks by Ukraine or the West in Russia itself.

-agreed, and since there are no pro russian parts of ukraine, they can fuck right off back home to russia..riiiight....? Or do you think that russia should get a chunk of ukraine against ukrainian wishes as a consolation prize for everyone laughing at them so mercilessly, in their inability to take it? Who the fuck cares what china says it's red line is for the people they're actively screwing? Obviously not china.....let's be real, when china shorts russian oil, that's not them supporting the war against the global jew. That's just grifting off your and russias stupidity.

[Irreligious Atheist]

See, that's the thing.   I'm perfectly fine with ukraine not wanting to negotiate with terrorists no matter what.  To you, maybe, ukraine is a footnote in how the west fails™ when it's not guarding whiteness and warcriming like a common russia...but, to me, things being rough is basically par for the course, not a reason to reverse course.

My amusement is as pure as the driven snow.  I get my kicks when people kick you and yours in the mouth.  Doesn't look like that's gonna stop happening anytime soon, no matter who has whos papers.

So, you went from making grand claims months back about how much Russia is getting their ass kicked and they can do nothing right and they will be forced to give up, but now you're backtracking and calling the situation "rough" without actually backtracking fully by admitting that you were wrong and you miscalculated. I, on the other hand, will openly admit that I know far less than you do about warfare in general, but I remained agnostic months ago, and said I was unsure how things would end up with Ukraine, but I made the point that Ukraine can't take these types of losses to their fighting force forever, because it's just not sustainable. The Pentagon papers appear to show that I was correct. Maybe don't be so sure of yourself all of the time and try to take more of a fence sitting position when things are not so clear, Nudge, and then you won't have to backtrack when you get things oh so wrong.

[The Grand Nudger]

WTF are you talking about?

Just because russia cant do anything right doesn't make being on the other end of russian guns anything less than rough. I'm pretty sure that you would fail to successfuly assault my home, but that wouldn't make it any less shitty for the kids living in my home while you tried.

Anywho, do we agree that russia should get all the nonexistent pro-russian parts of ukraine and go the fuck home when they do..... or what?