Russia and Ukraine

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Bel:
 
- You cannot tell foreign countries to demilitarize (you cannot). But you can demilitarize yourself if you want. That would solve many issues in deed
 
GrandNudger:
 
- And this is deplorable. If we suppose he decides to carry on for another 5 years, what’s in it for him?
 
Bel2:
 
- Yes. No one can do anything if the Kremlin doesn’t agree. But if I was Putin, I would take this deal. Trump will not punish Russia for this war. But after 2028 (when Trump is gone) there may be much more severe terms to which Russia will simply have to agree.

Oh, I dunno. I can think of several things that can be done whether Russia agrees or not.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

 
GrandNudger:
 
- And this is deplorable. If we suppose he decides to carry on for another 5 years, what’s in it for him?

Not falling out of a window.

[Fake Messiah]

Russia’s Next-Gen Oreshnik IRBM Relies on Cold War Tech, CNN Investigation Finds

Russian ballistic missile components retrieved from a 2024 strike in Dnipro show that the weapon, known as “Oreshnik” (or “Kedr”), relies on outdated technology, including Soviet-era vacuum tubes and mechanical gyroscopes.

In the CNN report, Ukrainian weapons specialists walk journalists through the missile debris, describing its internal architecture. “Yuri Gagarin flew with the same type of gyroscope,” one expert remarked, referring to the navigation system found inside the missile wreckage.

According to the analysts, while Russia has promoted the weapon as a breakthrough, the design and components suggest legacy technology repurposed from older programs.

The missile uses an inertial navigation system guided by an analog gyroscope. Control boards recovered from the debris show the presence of glass-encased electron tubes—likely krytrons or high-frequency resonators—suggesting the missile architecture is not fully digital.

Ukrainian forensic experts suggest the system incorporates legacy hardware and suffers from performance limitations in real-world deployments.

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ru...inds-14910

[Belacqua]

This is what I'm talking about when I say that Russia tends to win wars of attrition:

https://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-s-de...rce=russia

While Russia is reported losing 1,000 or more men in Donbas a day, whereas Ukraine is maybe losing a fifth of this number, according to scattered and unconfirmed reports, the relative sizes of the two countries’ populations mean that Ukraine is suffering worse than Russia, despite the lower casualty count.

Russia has 1.4mn men under arms, but this only accounts for 1% of its total population. Ukraine has around 850,000 service men, but this accounts for 3.3% of its population. That means Ukraine has to kill three times more Russians to just keep even in the manpower struggle. And Ukraine is already bumping up against the ceiling of its pool of military-aged men despite full mandatory conscription. Russia’s pool of potential servicemen remains much deeper, and it is able to still rely exclusively well-paid volunteers to cover its battlefield losses with an estimated 30,000 fresh recruits a month.

Both sides are losing soldiers, but Russia can stand to lose more. And history (e.g. WWII) indicates that they are willing to lose more in order to win.

It's not what I would choose, but that's the way it is.

[Fake Messiah]

I say that Russia tends to win wars of attrition

They better get good at the war of attrition now that the full-scale war on Ukraine has lasted longer than the Soviet Union’s war against Nazi Germany in WWII.

And the belt is getting very tight in Russia now that problems are piling up: Iran regime is falling and thus a source for Shahed drones, long-time ally Venezuela has fallen, the flow of Cuban mercenaries will stop due to US pressure against the country, military production and oil refineries are in big trouble due to sanctions and lack of spare parts, the US didn't turn out to be as close partner as they anticipated, the economy is in decline, the country is missing workforce and planning to emigrate 2 million Indians to fix the problem.

Russia has lost over a million Russian casualties and after all that still hasn’t achieved its strategic goals. It is far from controlling the Donbas let alone Ukraine.

This is a failure so massive it will be studied in military academies for decades.

[Belacqua]

Detailed analysis of Neo-Nazi involvement in Ukraine:

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100...98724-3_11

Also many other relevant books at this publisher.

[Deesse23]

I say that Russia tends to win wars of attrition

I say Russia lost it last major war of attrition

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

This is what I'm talking about when I say that Russia tends to win wars of attrition:

https://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-s-de...rce=russia

While Russia is reported losing 1,000 or more men in Donbas a day, whereas Ukraine is maybe losing a fifth of this number, according to scattered and unconfirmed reports, the relative sizes of the two countries’ populations mean that Ukraine is suffering worse than Russia, despite the lower casualty count.

Russia has 1.4mn men under arms, but this only accounts for 1% of its total population. Ukraine has around 850,000 service men, but this accounts for 3.3% of its population. That means Ukraine has to kill three times more Russians to just keep even in the manpower struggle. And Ukraine is already bumping up against the ceiling of its pool of military-aged men despite full mandatory conscription. Russia’s pool of potential servicemen remains much deeper, and it is able to still rely exclusively well-paid volunteers to cover its battlefield losses with an estimated 30,000 fresh recruits a month.

Both sides are losing soldiers, but Russia can stand to lose more. And history (e.g. WWII) indicates that they are willing to lose more in order to win.

It's not what I would choose, but that's the way it is.

It's not just about the bodies (warm or otherwise).

Boru

[Deesse23]

Both sides are losing soldiers, but Russia can stand to lose more. And history (e.g. WWII) indicates that they are willing to lose more in order to win.

It's not what I would choose, but that's the way it is.

*ring* *ring*
The people of Afghanistan would like to talk to you

[The Grand Nudger]

Detailed analysis of Neo-Nazi involvement in Ukraine:

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100...98724-3_11

Also many other relevant books at this publisher.

Money getting tight Bel?