Russia and Ukraine

[Mister Agenda]

The Russian Duma is warning of economic collapse triggering a 1917-style revolution this year:

"We've told [Putin] ten times, the economy is bound to collapse...If you don't take immediate action...in the fall we'll face what happened in 1917."

I'd settle for a 1991-type collapse.

[Fake Messiah]

People in Russia could revolt soon. I mean, we can't know how they exactly feel, but Putin recently shut down all the internet in Russia, which is an extreme move if everything is going rosy in Russia.

[Angrboda]

The problem is that many Russians have been buying the propaganda from the Putin regime about the cause of their woes. So a popular revolt may be unlikely. That would require a consciousness the Russian people don't have.

[Ivan Denisovich]

I'm not. I don't think that revolution will repeat but if it did then well, it would be a great news.

Not everyone agrees about the Russian economy. The current fiasco with Iran is driving up oil prices, which helps Russia. 

https://archive.md/CPjfq

And the idea that a revolution in Russia would give us someone better than Putin in charge is a fantasy. People who have convinced themselves that Putin is Satan probably think that no one could be worse. But someone could be a lot lot worse.

I wrote nothing about russia economy.

As for revolution, February one got away with incompetent and dumb tsar and set russia on (ultimately not traveled) road to democracy. So were it to repeat it would be a great news but I doubt that such will happen.

[Fake Messiah]

"Ukraine’s Drone Swarms Are Bankrupting Russia: How A $2,000 Drone Is Draining $100M Of Oil Daily"

[Leonardo17]

I am linking a lot of this to our capitalist way of doing things. I believe that post-Soviet Russia in the 1990’s could be assisted by the international community especially in economic issues like the transfer of publicly owned enterprises to private companies.

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What happened is that within less than a decade we have actually produced a third world country with a huge military arsenal that includes nuclear weapons and huge repression abilities based on its secret service and political police which was also very advanced with it’s know how and knowledge in many areas of science. What we did was Post WWI Germany but worse because Putin is both less crazy and more ambitious than A. Hitler.

Had there been more integration and better support for the Russian people and state after 1991 I think we would be in a much better world right now:

- Right now Europe wants more military autonomy, so it has to push for more defense spending. Had there been no Putin, Europeans would simply do business as usual and I don’t think someone like D. Trump would be elected in the US if the world was more like it used to be in the 1990’s and 00’s.

Our current situation is still not so bad. Yet, every time I hear about new investments being made into defense industries of different countries I’m thinking of more healthcare, free schools for children, more support for 700 million people in the world who live with food insecurity, more free universities for young people, money to invest in clean energy, the education of women in third world countries, more fund for HIV awareness in Africa… you name it.

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I think this situation is proof that we learned almost nothing from the rise of fascism in Europe in the 1920’s and 1930’s.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

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What happened is that within less than a decade we have actually produced a third world country with a huge military arsenal that includes nuclear weapons and huge repression abilities based on its secret service and political police which was also very advanced with it’s know how and knowledge in many areas of science.

What’s this ‘we’ shit?

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Military arsenal? Sure, they're massing tanks for offensives. Tanks built in 1958. You're right, though, at the bottom of it all. "We" as in the global west certainly helped enshitten the post soviet situation when we could have helped make it better. Then again, there's a lens through which russia is just an early adopter of the very same thing that's currently screwing us at home. Where we're all earnestly flinging ourselves into the abyss.

[Leonardo17]

“We” actually is not only the global West. It’s more like “countries with an existing liberal economy”. 70 years is a long time for an economic system like socialism to prevail in a country. Look at Venezuela, just 20 years of Chavezian socialism and some 5 million people have just left the country.
 
Had we been a world with stronger international institutions and a less predatory interpretation of modern capitalism we would have assisted Russia in this transition. And they would have remained as a reliable economic partner that they were to many nations until the 00’s. And China would not have been successful in dividing the global West into three competing parts.
 
By the way, China is also a Frankenstein of global capitalism. On one hand cheap labor from Africa and/or South America is looking for gaps in Trump’s wall and/or the Mediterranean Sea just to get to northern hemisphere countries. On the other hand the Global North is deindustrializing because workforce in China is cheaper.
 
These are all matters we will need to rectify at one point or another. We clearly need a more civilized world order in which we will be more respectful toward one another. All the talks between Gorbatchev and Ronald Reagan in the 80’s where moves in the right direction. Similar approaches are necessary now. Right now have climbed to 2,7 Trillion US dollars. That’s the price of 30 Artemis projects if you look at it. I think we need to go back to the spirit of the 1980’s and 1990’s if we can

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

“We” actually is not only the global West. It’s more like “countries with an existing liberal economy”. 70 years is a long time for an economic system like socialism to prevail in a country. Look at Venezuela, just 20 years of Chavezian socialism and some 5 million people have just left the country.
 
Had we been a world with stronger international institutions and a less predatory interpretation of modern capitalism we would have assisted Russia in this transition. And they would have remained as a reliable economic partner that they were to many nations until the 00’s. And China would not have been successful in dividing the global West into three competing parts.
 
By the way, China is also a Frankenstein of global capitalism. On one hand cheap labor from Africa and/or South America is looking for gaps in Trump’s wall and/or the Mediterranean Sea just to get to northern hemisphere countries. On the other hand the Global North is deindustrializing because workforce in China is cheaper.
 
These are all matters we will need to rectify at one point or another. We clearly need a more civilized world order in which we will be more respectful toward one another. All the talks between Gorbatchev and Ronald Reagan in the 80’s where moves in the right direction. Similar approaches are necessary now. Right now have climbed to 2,7 Trillion US dollars. That’s the price of 30 Artemis projects if you look at it. I think we need to go back to the spirit of the 1980’s and 1990’s if we can

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And if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his arse a-hoppin’.

Boru