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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 27, 2026 at 7:39 pm
It was the us doing “shock therapy” to Russia in the 90’s that directly lead to Putin and the oligarchs.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 28, 2026 at 4:22 pm
Not only that. After WWII there was this Marshall Plan to help Europe rebuild itself. Thanks to that plan no new type of fascism rose in Europe. On the contrary, they started rebuilding their economy thus becoming very good trade partners to the US until January 2020. This time the defeated sides (Germany and Japan) were not humiliated. Instead they were put under US military umbrella and soon became the world’s second and third economies.
I think in 1991 big corporations wanted to punish Russia for being a non-capitalist power for so many decades. In my own country some business people used terms like “third Rome” or “New sick man of Europe” to describe the Russian federation.
What I am saying is that Reagan and Gorbatchev had a good start. So could we do something to Russia something that is similar to what West Germans did to East Germans after 1989 or could we treat Russia like the EU treated (and is still treating) East-European countries?
After all: Russia did lose a war. It was a cold war but its situation was still similar to the defeated countries of WWI.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 28, 2026 at 4:41 pm
(April 28, 2026 at 4:22 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: Not only that. After WWII there was this Marshall Plan to help Europe rebuild itself. Thanks to that plan no new type of fascism rose in Europe. On the contrary, they started rebuilding their economy thus becoming very good trade partners to the US until January 2020. This time the defeated sides (Germany and Japan) were not humiliated. Instead they were put under US military umbrella and soon became the world’s second and third economies.
I think in 1991 big corporations wanted to punish Russia for being a non-capitalist power for so many decades. In my own country some business people used terms like “third Rome” or “New sick man of Europe” to describe the Russian federation.
What I am saying is that Reagan and Gorbatchev had a good start. So could we do something to Russia something that is similar to what West Germans did to East Germans after 1989 or could we treat Russia like the EU treated (and is still treating) East-European countries?
After all: Russia did lose a war. It was a cold war but its situation was still similar to the defeated countries of WWI.
Well, too late now, innit?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 29, 2026 at 2:09 am
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Quote:I think in 1991 big corporations wanted to punish Russia for being a non-capitalist power for so many decades.
You are silly, as usual.
Corporations have no interest in punishment. Their only interest is profit. This was not only evident in Russia but particularly in eastern Germany.
Quote:What I am saying is that Reagan and Gorbatchev had a good start. So could we do something to Russia something that is similar to what West Germans did to East Germans after 1989 or could we treat Russia like the EU treated (and is still treating) East-European countries?
You have no idea about the big resentments of eat Germans towards West Germans, 35 years later, do you?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 29, 2026 at 5:13 am
(April 29, 2026 at 2:09 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Quote:I think in 1991 big corporations wanted to punish Russia for being a non-capitalist power for so many decades.
You are silly, as usual.
Corporations have no interest in punishment. Their only interest is profit. This was not only evident in Russia but particularly in eastern Germany.
Quote:What I am saying is that Reagan and Gorbatchev had a good start. So could we do something to Russia something that is similar to what West Germans did to East Germans after 1989 or could we treat Russia like the EU treated (and is still treating) East-European countries?
You have no idea about the big resentments of eat Germans towards West Germans, 35 years later, do you?
Leo seems to have a world view that (metaphorically speaking) consists largely of thinking that countries sitting round a campfire, holding hands, and singing 'Kumbaya' will solve all the world's problems.
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April 29, 2026 at 8:59 am
His view of the world is a weird mix of naivety, lack of sense of law and order and massively oversimplified history.
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April 30, 2026 at 10:21 am
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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May 4, 2026 at 2:46 pm
Putin is afraid.
Quote:Putin bans staff from using phones amid assassination fears
Russian leader spending weeks in bunkers and has had surveillance systems installed in workers’ homes, intelligence dossier reveals.
Vladimir Putin has banned his staff from using mobile phones and ordered that surveillance systems be installed in their homes amid mounting paranoia over his safety.
The unprecedented security measures have been introduced in recent months owing to intensifying fears of a coup d’état or assassination attempt, according to a European intelligence dossier.
“In particular, [Putin] fears the use of drones for a possible assassination attempt by members of the Russian political elite,” the document, released to several outlets, including Vazhnyye Istorii, a Russian investigative website, said.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...ion-fears/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 4, 2026 at 2:58 pm
^Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t meant people aren’t really out to get you (the converse is also true).
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 4, 2026 at 3:48 pm
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