Is Satan better than God?

[HappySkeptic]

I rather enjoyed the devil in the show Lucifer. He's a self-centered dick, but more fun and perhaps even more "moral" than his other divine relatives.

[Disagreeable]

Of course the point is moot, since neither really exist anyway.

They both exist, their existence is just fictional. It is true that they don't really exist. Instead, they *unreally exist*.

[Ferrocyanide]

These nine assertions are a license for self-indulgence, lack of discipline, reinforcement of one's own prejudices, and unkindness.

PART 1:
I agree. There should always be a limit to indulgence.
It’s difficult to write such social rules.
If it was a command such as “You must seek pleasure”, well how much pleasure, what kind of pleasure, when, where?

However, since it says represents, I can’t criticize it on that.

LaVey uses language to stack the deck, like "spiritual pipe dreams." Well, yeah, we're all against pipe dreams. Or "hypocritical self-deceit"; we're all against that, too. But anyone who signed on to these assertions would be in serious danger of falling into exactly that kind of self-deceit.

I assume #2 means that he doesn’t believe in an afterlife.
It is a matter of burden of proof.
The side that makes the claim that humans have an afterlife so far have not been able to provide any solid evidence.
After a certain amount of time, when no evidence surfaces, I think it is fine to call a concept a pipe dream.

For example, indulgence instead of abstinence. OK, I enjoy a good chocolate cake as much as anybody. Should I go ahead and eat until I'm 600 pounds? Aren't there really a lot of cases in which self-discipline is obviously a good thing? Do you have a little Oxycontin handy?

I agree.
This comment is related to PART 1.

It is similar to the islamic rule of “No drinking ethanol”.
Instead of setting the upper limit to 0 g, set it to a value where a person can drink and still not get drunk enough to jump out the window.

In fact, I don’t drink ethanol. I don’t like the taste. Wine is a little ok but still, I prefer water. So, what does that rule have to do with me?

It also turns out that drinking some wine has health benefits.

The mormons had the rule “Don’t drink hot drinks” which was interpreted to mean don’t drink coffee and tea. Because of the discoveries made by Chemistry, that rule changed to don’t drink things that contain caffeine. So now, they don’t drink Coca-Cola, Pepsi, pills of paracetamol that contains caffeine.

Then it turns out:
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coffee-co...vity-study

In addition to possibly helping to protect the liver, coffee could also aide in colon cancer patients’ longevity, according to a new study.


Researchers found that study participants who drank one cup of coffee a day had an 11% increased rate of survival compared to those who drank no coffee. They also had a 5% increased rate of living progression-free, or living without their cancer getting worse, according to the findings.

Meanwhile, those who drank even more coffee, or more than 4 cups a day, were found to have a 36% increased rate of survival and a 22% increase rate of living progression-free.


“It’s known that several compounds in coffee have antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and other properties that may be active against cancer,” Chen Yuan said.

^^^^^So what about all the mormon priests who were saying that Joseph Smith had scientific knowledge from god that coffee and tea contained caffeine and that he knew that these 2 products are bad for you. (**** I do not know if it is Joseph Smith who created the no hotdrinks rule).

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

It’s a very personal thing. If I judge that someone is a major jerk, I lose interest in being friends with that person.

Let’s quote Jesus:

Matthew 22:34 KING JAMES VERSION
But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. {22:35} Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, {22:36} Master, which is the great commandment in the law? {22:37} Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. {22:38} This is the first and great commandment. {22:39} And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

^^^^^Apparently, you can command someone to love someone else, from the point of view of Jesus.

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

I agree but it depends on the situation. It’s good to try to make peace with your local citizen but there is a limit. The turn the other cheek rule of Jesus is not going to always work.
What about neighboring countries? If they invade you and destroy your cities, are you going to turn the other cheek or use all your resources to destroy them?

Reality is complicated. Jesus is not a survivalist.
I prefer to be like a mirror. Try to make peace but if the other person is a major jerk, then be like him to him.

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

In term of biology, yes, we are an animal.
As usual, reality is complicated. Some inventors wanted to get rich and improve the lives of people. For example, cars and trucks, plastic bags and plastic products.
Unfortunately, they did not think about pollution, they did not establish a system of recycling.
They did not think about how the population was going to reach 7 billion, 10 billion, 20 billion.

Modern life is comfortable. People don’t want to return to the old days of riding horses and using wood stoves to warm yourself.
Some of them are not even interested in alternative energy sources.

[GrandizerII]

I prefer to be like a mirror. Try to make peace but if the other person is a major jerk, then be like him to him.

How well has this worked for you? If by "major jerk", you mean to the level of narcissists or antisocials, I have found that trying to mimic their patterns of behavior just made things more stressful for me. It's easier and more relieving for me long-term to disconnect from them when/if possible and focus instead on the people whom I find pleasant to be/interact with.

[Jehanne]

I rather enjoyed the devil in the show Lucifer. He's a self-centered dick, but more fun and perhaps even more "moral" than his other divine relatives.

Any show that antongizes One Million Moms is worth watching!

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah...all one of them.

[Ferrocyanide]

I prefer to be like a mirror. Try to make peace but if the other person is a major jerk, then be like him to him.

How well has this worked for you? If by "major jerk", you mean to the level of narcissists or antisocials, I have found that trying to mimic their patterns of behavior just made things more stressful for me. It's easier and more relieving for me long-term to disconnect from them when/if possible and focus instead on the people whom I find pleasant to be/interact with.

I think I haven't met any narcissists. What’s an antisocial?

I have encountered people in real life, at work, who make stupid jokes, so I do the same with them.
I haven’t had any nasty arguments with people at work.

I also carry conversations online. I have encountered people who start with the name calling. It can happen that I just copy and their unfriendly lines and I respond and click on send. Eventually, they stop responding.

It depends on my mood. Sometimes, I just tell them that I am not interested in having a piss fight.

In any case, if the other person approaches a conversation with namecalling, then they aren’t interested in listening.
So, the question is, how can we change their attitude?

Here is an example that I had saved. I think his Youtube name was The Truth Channel.
Apparently, I had asked him to email me but the conversation turned sour in 2 steps and I was no longer interested in talking to him.
He was also way too illogical.

COLLECTION:
1. sponge-like brain
2. completely unlearned atheists
3. that is, unless, you think modern atheists are smarter than Isaac Newton
4.  See? Ignorance. Atheism is an echo chamber of the willfull unethical ignorance

Him:
“You need to re-read my previous email until the content seeps into your sponge-like brain.”

Me:
==I’m no longer interested in talking to you.

Me:
"The thing about Bible prophecies is that they are vague and also generic enough that they can fit various time periods"

Him:
That is a poorly thought through selling point given by atheist leaders and then relentlessly echoed by the atheist echo chamber. This is absolutely NOT true. For ex. Matt 24. Jesus gives a specific prophecy that is one of the most confused prophecies among the church but only because your Christian has very little understanding of Exegesis. Yet somehow you expect completely unlearned atheists to do a better job at it than the average ignorant Christian. This is also a poorly arrived at conclusion. Matt 24. Jesus gives specific things that can only happen during a specific time, a specific day and to a specific people at ONE specific location. That isnt vague. Among atheists 'It sounds like a general broad-sweeping statement so therefore, it must be vague' yet among scholars they look at atheists and say 'They see generalities because they are ignorant concerning Biblical and Theological specificities.' That is, unless, you think modern atheists are smarter than Isaac Newton the father of modern Physics, algorithmic computation and optics?


Me:
Besides, you have prophecies that contradict each other and also fail.

Ezekiel also prophesied that Nebuchadnezzar would destroy Tyre, which would never again be rebuilt (Ezekiel 26:7-14, but Nebuchadnezzar's siege of Tyre failed to take the city, and Tyre still exists today. A curious thing about this prophecy against Tyre is that Isaiah also predicted that Tyre would be destroyed, but, whereas Ezekiel predicted that Tyre would be permanently destroyed and "nevermore have any being," Isaiah prophesied that it would be made desolate only for a period of 70 years. A comparison of these two prophecies is an easy way to show the silliness of claiming that prophecy fulfillment proves the inspiration of the Bible.

Him:
'Tyre' was a code name for Babylon in Ezekiel and Isaiah's time in the same way Babylon was a code name for Rome in the time of the Apostles. Babylon was destroyed. It will never again be rebuilt. See? Ignorance. Atheism is an echo chamber of the willfull unethical ignorance of 2 or 3 atheist leaders who lie to people like you because they know theres a market for it. The problem is convenient ignorance in order to insulate against an inconvenient truth.


Me:
"How could anyone determine that the jewish god sent Jesus?"

Him:
You realize there are extensive reasons for this and countless resources including Sir Isaac Newton's own 'On the Apocalypse of Daniel' - Newton along with countless others who've actually studied comprehensively Biblical prophecy and history concluded 2 things. 1. Prophecy points to the God of the Bible being what HE claimed. 'The Most HIGH GOD' the Creator of space and time and even the creator of the gods who are what the Bible refers to as 'Angelic princes' or 'Principalities in the New Testament. and 2. Prophecy points to Christ. So, if 1 is true then 2 must also be true as well.

[GrandizerII]

I think I haven't met any narcissists. What’s an antisocial?

Unless you haven't been mingling with many people all your life, you most probably have met a few narcissists without realizing it.

Antisocials = Sociopaths + psychopaths.

As for your example, not sure how that illustrates mirroring a major jerk's behaviour.

[Ferrocyanide]

I think I haven't met any narcissists. What’s an antisocial?

Unless you haven't been mingling with many people all your life, you most probably have met a few narcissists without realizing it.

Antisocials = Sociopaths + psychopaths.

As for your example, not sure how that illustrates mirroring a major jerk's behaviour.

That was an example of me cutting the conversation short since that was easy for me to find.
Also, I posted it for the enjoyment pleasure for the people of this forum.

[Disagreeable]

Why evaluate the lesser of two evils unless one has to choose one of them?

For fun.