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Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
#31
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 10:07 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(March 15, 2022 at 10:04 am)Jehanne Wrote: I am disheartened by an execution.  No one is deserving of a scheduled annihilation.
The executed ones are being shown mercy, as far as I'm concerned. Life in prison is a far worse fate than death.

What if they convict and execute the wrong person, at least a person in jail can be released and paid compensation, can't do that to a dead body
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#32
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
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#33
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 10:07 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(March 15, 2022 at 10:04 am)Jehanne Wrote: I am disheartened by an execution.  No one is deserving of a scheduled annihilation.
The executed ones are being shown mercy, as far as I'm concerned. Life in prison is a far worse fate than death.

Most don't feel that way, and neither do their families. And, this may surprise you, but even the families of murder victims overwhelmingly express dissatisfaction with the process, at least in the United States. As I said, executions just create more victims.
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#34
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 10:29 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote:
(March 15, 2022 at 10:07 am)Ahriman Wrote: The executed ones are being shown mercy, as far as I'm concerned. Life in prison is a far worse fate than death.

What if they convict and execute the wrong person, at least a person in jail can be released and paid compensation, can't do that to a dead body

No chance of that being an issue in ksa's case.  They executed exactly the people they wanted to - guilt or innocence wasn't a factor. Nor, for that matter, were prison conditions.
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#35
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 9:06 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 15, 2022 at 8:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: Now that you guys mention it, I am somewhat familiar with the Nazis being tried at Nuremberg. But on an unrelated note......81 people is not very many people, chump change really, and people die all the time from all kinds of causes. What makes this particular case special?

After withdrawing American forces from Afghanistan, Biden confiscated billions of dollars in Afghan funds from foreign banks. Then he gave half of it to people affected by 9-11, even though the Afghani people had little or nothing to do with 9-11. Basically Biden stole it, because he could. Some of it he will "give back" to Afghanistan as aid, which we can feel kind and generous about. 

Anyway, far more than 81 people will die as a result of having their money stolen during a harsh winter when the economy was in bad shape anyway. 

So you're right, in relation to the evils done consistently by the USA, 81 is chump change.

But the 81 in question were killed by Muslims, so it gives us license to get all mad and high and mighty and blame some amorphous thing called "religion." Because it isn't really about morality. It's about us vs. them.

It manifestly IS about morality, it is about nothing BUT morality. State-sanctioned murder is always immoral, whether it is done under secular or religious law.

I get more than a little pissy when some of my fellow atheists decry infinite punishment for finite transgression (Hell, or the cultural equivalent), but - sometimes in the same breath - support capital punishment. Once someone lops off your head or electrocutes you or lethally injects you or strangles you or employs  any of the other delightfully savage methods we’ve invented to punish criminals, you are infinitely dead for a crime that was finite.

Westerners who support capital punishment are - in this respect - neither morally superior to or less savage than their Muslim counterparts who do the same.

Boru
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#36
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 12, 2022 at 8:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: All clinicians will tell you that it is impossible to diagnose someone with any psychiatric condition who lived decades or centuries ago

A few days later:

(March 12, 2022 at 8:49 am)Jehanne Wrote:  That the writings of some narcissistic, desert-preaching epileptic,

Can you at least be coherent ? 

(March 12, 2022 at 8:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: Our resident Muslim apologists will try to justify it of course

Why would an apologist or anybody else want to justify the doings of some random corrupt government ? A messed up justice system and an extremist interpretation of religious texts is all the explanation you're looking for.. assuming you are looking for one
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#37
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 1:44 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(March 12, 2022 at 8:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: All clinicians will tell you that it is impossible to diagnose someone with any psychiatric condition who lived decades or centuries ago

A few days later:

(March 12, 2022 at 8:49 am)Jehanne Wrote:  That the writings of some narcissistic, desert-preaching epileptic,

Can you at least be coherent ? 

(March 12, 2022 at 8:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: Our resident Muslim apologists will try to justify it of course

Why would an apologist or anybody else want to justify the doings of some random corrupt government ? A messed up justice system and an extremist interpretation of religious texts is all the explanation you're looking for.. assuming you are looking for one

Epilepsy is not a psychiatric condition.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#38
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 1:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Epilepsy is not a psychiatric condition.

Boru

Please, don't be a moron.

Any postmortem diagnosis has very little academic credibility, especially when it comes from a non-specialist.
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#39
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 9:23 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 15, 2022 at 9:14 am)Jackalope Wrote: G

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Sometimes atheists deny that universal moral standards exist. They say that such standards are cultural norms, and bound to vary from culture to culture.

I suspect there may in fact be something like an overall, objective view by which we can pass judgment. But that view is certainly NOT equivalent to "American standards" of judgment.

To show that we're judging things objectively, and not simply by the habits of our own social group, we'd have to define some way of determining what goes, objectively, beyond cultural specifics.

Go join him.
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#40
RE: Saudi Arabia executes 81 human beings in one day.
(March 15, 2022 at 2:20 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(March 15, 2022 at 1:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Epilepsy is not a psychiatric condition.

Boru

Please, don't be a moron.

Any postmortem diagnosis has very little academic credibility, especially when it comes from a non-specialist.

Then why did you bold only ‘epilepsy’? The clear implication is that you object to Mohammed being called an epileptic, but are fine with his being described as a narcissist.

Moron.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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