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Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?

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Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 4, 2022 at 4:37 pm
Jesus had a hard-on for the end of the world, so I'm not sure he was a hippie care-free guy.
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 4, 2022 at 4:43 pm
(May 4, 2022 at 4:37 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Jesus had a hard-on for the end of the world, so I'm not sure he was a hippie care-free guy.

Outwardly he is depicted as loving, caring, etc. etc.  But as I said, he displays flashes of anger like his father.  Jebus was like trying to put lipstick on a pig.
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 4, 2022 at 4:44 pm
(May 4, 2022 at 4:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's actually a contemporary western revision of jesus, itself.

Now I feel the need to watch Jesus Christ Superstar again.
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 4, 2022 at 4:45 pm
(May 4, 2022 at 4:07 pm)Angrboda Wrote: The  Judeo-Christian god is the ultimate good by definition.  This isn't complicated.

That's called loaded terminology, which is most often used in thought-control systems.
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 4, 2022 at 8:18 pm
(May 4, 2022 at 4:45 pm)Alan V Wrote:
(May 4, 2022 at 4:07 pm)Angrboda Wrote: The  Judeo-Christian god is the ultimate good by definition.  This isn't complicated.

That's called loaded terminology, which is most often used in thought-control systems.

"Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."

Plato.
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May 4, 2022 at 8:24 pm (This post was last modified: May 4, 2022 at 8:24 pm by Angrboda.)
(May 4, 2022 at 4:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's more the pagan god they hijacked when they needed to sound like there was some rational philosophy underlying their religion.  The judeo christian god isn't good in the stories, he's just their guy.

That's probably what ahriman is angling for.  I mean sure, he's talked some shit, but gods his guy.

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“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?

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Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?

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Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?

Job 38
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May 4, 2022 at 8:26 pm
Who but god could fashion behemoth?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 4, 2022 at 10:36 pm
And the amazing thing about all of that is none of that makes god good.
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 5, 2022 at 4:29 am
(May 4, 2022 at 1:48 pm)Ahriman Wrote: but perhaps God is above all forms of criticism

And why would God be above criticism?

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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?
May 5, 2022 at 5:23 am
(May 4, 2022 at 1:48 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I mean, I know I've said some pretty harsh things about God (in real life), 
What exactly?
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