Can God be objectively good despite criticism against Him/Her/It?

[chiknsld]

Possibility #4: The world was not created and the universe is pitilessly indifferent to the suffering of humanity.

Boru

Nah......in any case, the world/universe was definitely created.

 It will take them a couple centuries to figure that one out at the pace they are going.

[Deesse23]

The vast complexity of everything in the universe...

Simplicity is the hallmark of design, not complexity.
95% of the universe may be dark energy and dark matter, two pretty simple things possibly.
Pick your poison.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Prove it.

Boru

Prove it wasn't created. The vast complexity of everything in the universe, including stars, planets, myriad unique life forms, etc. suggests some kind of thoughtful creation. You really think this all happened for no reason at all?

Argument from incredulity 

[The Architect Of Fate]

 It will take them a couple centuries to figure that one out at the pace they are going.

Prove it without relying on personnel credulity 

[Deesse23]

....some kind of thoughtful creation. You really think this all happened for no reason at all?

With which thought was the universe created?
For what reason was the universe created?
How do you know?

[The Architect Of Fate]

The vast complexity of everything in the universe...

Simplicity is the hallmark of design, not complexity.
95% of the universe may be dark energy and dark matter, two pretty simple things possibly.
Pick your poison.

If the universe is designed by god he must love barren rocks floating around in a radiation saturated void.

[Deesse23]

Simplicity is the hallmark of design, not complexity.
95% of the universe may be dark energy and dark matter, two pretty simple things possibly.
Pick your poison.

If the universe is designed by god he must love barren rocks floating around in a radiation saturated void.

If dark energy (ca. 2/3 of the universe) turns out to be vacuum energy of empty space, then, yes, god seems to abso-fucking-lutely love empty void.

[Ahriman]

Prove it wasn't created. The vast complexity of everything in the universe, including stars, planets, myriad unique life forms, etc. suggests some kind of thoughtful creation. You really think this all happened for no reason at all?

I don’t have to prove it wasn’t created, because I didn’t assert that it was - I suggested it as a possibility. You, on the other hand, made a positive claim. The onus is on you to establish that claim via something more substantive than a gut feeling.

Yes, I think that all this happened for no reason at all, and I will continue to accept that as a best hypothesis until you and your ilk come up with something more convincing than ‘goddidit’.

Boru

I always think there must be something wrong with people who don't believe in the creation perspective. So many things are so perfectly well put together. You might argue, "Well not everything is well put together", so you might think that disproves creation theory, but maybe the creator left some things unfinished on purpose so that we could finish them?

[Deesse23]

I don’t have to prove it wasn’t created, because I didn’t assert that it was - I suggested it as a possibility. You, on the other hand, made a positive claim. The onus is on you to establish that claim via something more substantive than a gut feeling.

Yes, I think that all this happened for no reason at all, and I will continue to accept that as a best hypothesis until you and your ilk come up with something more convincing than ‘goddidit’.

Boru

I always think there must be something wrong with people who don't believe in the creation perspective. So many things are so perfectly well put together. You might argue, "Well not everything is well put together", so you might think that disproves creation theory, but maybe the creator left some things unfinished on purpose so that we could finish them?

Yeah "everything put together" is evidence for god, and if "not everything is put together", then its evidence for god as well.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I always think there must be something wrong with people who don't believe in the creation perspective. So many things are so perfectly well put together. You might argue, "Well not everything is well put together", so you might think that disproves creation theory, but maybe the creator left some things unfinished on purpose so that we could finish them?

And I always think there is something wrong with people who confuse their personnel credulity with actual evidence for a magic sky wizard and then explain any objection with Ad Hoc bullshit.