THE Gun Thread

[HappySkeptic]

Long Gun registration only failed because the Harper Government stripped the law of its teeth and provincial Conservative governments refused to enforce it. Any law fails when there is a significant faction within the government trying to undermine it.

I'm generally against gun culture, but the long gun registry was a billion dollar boondoggle that served no public safety purpose.

[Rev. Rye]

Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and every country in the EU has firearm licensing and registration. All have a lower firearm homicide rate than the US.

So, before you declare it ‘to be highly unlikely to work’, you might want to look a little farther afield than Canada.

Boru

Oh - it would work - if every American rolled over when the government asked....

Think that real likely? (Look north for helpful hints)

If so - you haven' t met many Americans....

We' re an unruly lot...

For the record, I've done a bit of research on this subject: 

• Several states (Hawaii, New York, Maryland, Michigan, Connecticut, and New Jersey) already require certain types of firearms to be registered.
  
• The federal government currently possesses records on the sales of a bit shy of a billion firearms, which are (unfortunately) prohibited by law from being put into a functional, searchable database, but I don't see why, if the law is changed, those records can't be properly digitised (outside of being scanned as  "non-searchable, static images").
  
• These records they do have are because, by law, once a firearms dealer goes out of business, their records go (by law) to the ATF. So, it would seem like  the ideal option is to create a provision that active and licensed firearms dealers have to send their records to the ATF even before they go out of business.
  

This could actually work if the laws are changed, firearms dealer regulations are changed, and the laws are properly enforced. Unless, of course, ATF-licensed firearms dealers are really as unhinged as Biker either is or seems think everyone else is.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I'm generally against gun culture, but the long gun registry was a billion dollar boondoggle that served no public safety purpose.

Bullshit

It would have worked if the Conservatives had not undermined it

[onlinebiker]

Oh - it would work - if every American rolled over when the government asked....

Think that real likely? (Look north for helpful hints)

If so - you haven' t met many Americans....

We' re an unruly lot...

For the record, I've done a bit of research on this subject: 

• Several states (Hawaii, New York, Maryland, Michigan, Connecticut, and New Jersey) already require certain types of firearms to be registered.
  
• The federal government currently possesses records on the sales of a bit shy of a billion firearms, which are (unfortunately) prohibited by law from being put into a functional, searchable database, but I don't see why, if the law is changed, those records can't be properly digitised (outside of being scanned as  "non-searchable, static images").
  
• These records they do have are because, by law, once a firearms dealer goes out of business, their records go (by law) to the ATF. So, it would seem like  the ideal option is to create a provision that active and licensed firearms dealers have to send their records to the ATF even before they go out of business.
  

This could actually work if the laws are changed, firearms dealer regulations are changed, and the laws are properly enforced. Unless, of course, ATF-licensed firearms dealers are really as unhinged as Biker either is or seems think everyone else is.

Pistols.  7 states and DC register pistols. And Commiefornia registers scary looking rifles.


And your proposed database is full of shit.

Once out of an FFL there IS NO TRACKING OF SALES. (Except the pistols ( at state level) and California scary rifles) as there is no requirement.

This means your proposed database would be totally inaccurate.

AND - FFL.dealers have been allowed to destroy records after 20 years. ATF does not have records from businesses that have been open over 20 years.

And pistols - if a gun owner.moves to a state that does not register handguns IT IS EFFECTIVELY OUT OF ANY REGISTRY as no requirement for registering exists.


Know what you are talking about instead of spewing, bub...

[Rev. Rye]

Yes, and I pointed out that the laws would have to be changed to allow the registry to exist, and on a federal level. And it looks like no longer allowing the destruction of old records (plus requiring current FFLs to send copies of their records to the ATF) would have to be a provision.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It continues to fascinate me that a country that - so far this year - has averaged 1.4 mass shootings per day doesn’t see a problem.

Boru

[Deesse23]

Oh - it would work - if every American rolled over when the government asked....

Think that real likely? (Look north for helpful hints)

If so - you haven' t met many Americans....

We' re an unruly lot...

It’s very true that I haven’t met a lot of Americans. As far as you being an unruly lot, that’s why we’re having this conversation. 198 mass shootings just this year.

Boru

If 1 mass murder with gun per 48 hours wont make people like OLB rethink their position, what do you think will?
I have made up my mind, thats why i stopped participating in these kinda discussions, particularly with people like OLB.

[zebo-the-fat]

It continues to fascinate me that a country that - so far this year - has averaged 1.4 mass shootings per day doesn’t see a problem.

Boru

You don't understand, just ignore the mass killings, guns will keep you safe!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It continues to fascinate me that a country that - so far this year - has averaged 1.4 mass shootings per day doesn’t see a problem.

Boru

You don't understand, just ignore the mass killings, guns will keep you safe!

It’s like they’re in a leaking boat and the best solution they can come up with is to knock more holes in the boat in the hope that the water will flow back out.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

It’s very true that I haven’t met a lot of Americans. As far as you being an unruly lot, that’s why we’re having this conversation. 198 mass shootings just this year.

Boru

If 1 mass murder with gun per 48 hours wont make people like OLB rethink their position, what do you think will?
I have made up my mind, thats why i stopped participating in these kinda discussions, particularly with people like OLB.

Yet here you are.....

Schrodinger' s poster.....