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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
July 30, 2022 at 12:48 pm
(July 30, 2022 at 12:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (July 30, 2022 at 11:33 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: How is that religious?
It's not religious, but, it's in the same category of nonverifiable, nonfalsifiable claims. Well, you are going to see for yourself whether Quantum Immortality is true. If you live to the age of 200, even though everybody from your generation has died long ago, you can be pretty sure Quantum Immortality is real.
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
July 30, 2022 at 1:13 pm
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(July 30, 2022 at 12:48 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (July 30, 2022 at 12:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It's not religious, but, it's in the same category of nonverifiable, nonfalsifiable claims. Well, you are going to see for yourself whether Quantum Immortality is true. If you live to the age of 200, even though everybody from your generation has died long ago, you can be pretty sure Quantum Immortality is real.
That’s just plain stupid. There are many possibilities for being the only member of your generation to live to the age of 200 - a genetic mutation, suspended animation, bionics - which would have nothing to do with quantum immortality.
Just to pile on how stupid this is, are you not aware that an age of 200 years is NOT immortality? You could survive to your 200th birthday, and die a week later.
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
July 31, 2022 at 3:23 am
(July 30, 2022 at 1:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 30, 2022 at 12:48 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Well, you are going to see for yourself whether Quantum Immortality is true. If you live to the age of 200, even though everybody from your generation has died long ago, you can be pretty sure Quantum Immortality is real.
That’s just plain stupid. There are many possibilities for being the only member of your generation to live to the age of 200 - a genetic mutation, suspended animation, bionics - which would have nothing to do with quantum immortality.
Just to pile on how stupid this is, are you not aware that an age of 200 years is NOT immortality? You could survive to your 200th birthday, and die a week later.
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Of course, you can never know for certain. But Quantum Immortality would be by far the simplest explanation.
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
July 31, 2022 at 3:30 am
(July 31, 2022 at 3:23 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (July 30, 2022 at 1:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That’s just plain stupid. There are many possibilities for being the only member of your generation to live to the age of 200 - a genetic mutation, suspended animation, bionics - which would have nothing to do with quantum immortality.
Just to pile on how stupid this is, are you not aware that an age of 200 years is NOT immortality? You could survive to your 200th birthday, and die a week later.
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Of course, you can never know for certain. But Quantum Immortality would be by far the simplest explanation.
No, it would not. The QI thought experiment is so deeply flawed that most people don’t take it seriously .
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
July 31, 2022 at 10:21 am
(July 31, 2022 at 3:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 31, 2022 at 3:23 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Of course, you can never know for certain. But Quantum Immortality would be by far the simplest explanation.
No, it would not. The QI thought experiment is so deeply flawed that most people don’t take it seriously .
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Why would it be flawed? To be clear, I am not saying it is true. I do not believe in the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, I believe in Digital Physics. But I do not claim to have a proof, and it is unclear whether science will ever be able to prove those things. If Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true (it might be), then Quantum Immortality might also be. In fact, if Many Worlds Interpretation is true, then Quantum Immortality is probably true, because Hugh Everett himself believed in it.
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
July 31, 2022 at 5:44 pm
(July 31, 2022 at 10:21 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (July 31, 2022 at 3:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, it would not. The QI thought experiment is so deeply flawed that most people don’t take it seriously .
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Why would it be flawed? To be clear, I am not saying it is true. I do not believe in the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, I believe in Digital Physics. But I do not claim to have a proof, and it is unclear whether science will ever be able to prove those things. If Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true (it might be), then Quantum Immortality might also be. In fact, if Many Worlds Interpretation is true, then Quantum Immortality is probably true, because Hugh Everett himself believed in it.
It’s flawed because it assumes the premise - the subject of the experiment must already be in a state of multi-quantum superposition for the experiment to be coherent.
If MWI is true, then QI isn’t merely ‘probably true’, it HAS to be true (you can’t have one without the other).
Of course Everett believed in these, but doesn’t make them true.
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
August 1, 2022 at 3:19 am
(July 31, 2022 at 5:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 31, 2022 at 10:21 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Why would it be flawed? To be clear, I am not saying it is true. I do not believe in the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, I believe in Digital Physics. But I do not claim to have a proof, and it is unclear whether science will ever be able to prove those things. If Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true (it might be), then Quantum Immortality might also be. In fact, if Many Worlds Interpretation is true, then Quantum Immortality is probably true, because Hugh Everett himself believed in it.
It’s flawed because it assumes the premise - the subject of the experiment must already be in a state of multi-quantum superposition for the experiment to be coherent.
If MWI is true, then QI isn’t merely ‘probably true’, it HAS to be true (you can’t have one without the other).
Of course Everett believed in these, but doesn’t make them true.
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So, we agree, it is possible that Quantum Immortality is true.
What do you guys think, is euthanasia justified if Quantum Immortality is true?
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
August 1, 2022 at 3:43 am
(August 1, 2022 at 3:19 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (July 31, 2022 at 5:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s flawed because it assumes the premise - the subject of the experiment must already be in a state of multi-quantum superposition for the experiment to be coherent.
If MWI is true, then QI isn’t merely ‘probably true’, it HAS to be true (you can’t have one without the other).
Of course Everett believed in these, but doesn’t make them true.
Boru
So, we agree, it is possible that Quantum Immortality is true.
What do you guys think, is euthanasia justified if Quantum Immortality is true?
Euthanasia is justified, full stop.
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
August 1, 2022 at 7:00 am
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(August 1, 2022 at 3:43 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (August 1, 2022 at 3:19 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: So, we agree, it is possible that Quantum Immortality is true.
What do you guys think, is euthanasia justified if Quantum Immortality is true?
Euthanasia is justified, full stop.
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But... If Quantum Immortality is true... Then euthanised people, just like suiciders, wake up in some paralel world... But with high probability of being paralyzed.
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RE: Why is murder wrong if Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is true?
August 1, 2022 at 7:23 am
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(August 1, 2022 at 7:00 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (August 1, 2022 at 3:43 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Euthanasia is justified, full stop.
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But... If Quantum Immortality is true... Then euthanised people, just like suiciders, wake up in some paralel world... But with high probability of being paralyzed.
Nonsense. They don't 'wake up' in another world - they have always existed in that other world (precisely the same way that Schrodinger's cat is always alive and always dead). And the probability of them being paralyzed is exactly the same as them not being paralyzed.
You continue to convince me that you don't understand QI at all.
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