Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism

[Rev. Rye]

Does literally anyone expect that their deeds will transcend space and time? Even in Becker, while it's been years since I've read him, I don't think the immortality projects he talks about are even supposed to go quite as far as that. Creating something that will leave an impact for generations to come, yeah, but outright transcending space and time?

Yes!  Most people at least hope, one way or another, to achieve any of the many kinds of immortality humans have described and sought. A god gifting it is such a narrow slice of that. This world can outlast me but not withstand me. No prison can hold me, and I'll be getting out of here over the walls or under them. It's not my home, I'm just passing through. I've got pretty low odds for establishing something that lasts to the very end...but every day I wake up and stack more blocks to that effect.

Fair enough. I have to admit, the more our malware friend here decided to talk about what he meant, the more I wound up wondering about what he even meant by accomplishments that "transcend space and time." Especially since he seems to think the fact that Mozart's music living on 230 years after his death is somehow comparable to the fact that we still know who Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer 30+ years after their deaths. It's like the only thing he thinks would suffice is something that goes on long after the human race no longer exists on Earth.

[arewethereyet]

Yes!  Most people at least hope, one way or another, to achieve any of the many kinds of immortality humans have described and sought.  A god gifting it is such a narrow slice of that.  This world can outlast me but not withstand me.  No prison can hold me, and I'll be getting out of here over the walls or under them.  It's not my home, I'm just passing through.  I've got pretty low odds for establishing something that lasts to the very end...but every day I wake up and stack more blocks to that effect.

Fair enough. I have to admit, the more our malware friend here decided to talk about what he meant, the more I wound up wondering about what he even meant by accomplishments that "transcend space and time." Especially since he seems to think the fact that Mozart's music living on 230 years after his death is somehow comparable to the fact that we still know who Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer 30+ years after their deaths. It's like the only thing he thinks would suffice is something that goes on long after the human race no longer exists on Earth.

I also noticed a weird amount of importance placed on serial killers.  As much as I love true crime, I would think there are better things to be remembered for.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, like I said, if you cant deserve your immortality through the usual means, and even notoriety is a form of immortality.... maybe you posit some batshit god who gifts you what you haven't earned...and maybe you call it "cosmic justice".

[Angrboda]

That's going to be one of the problems in the us going forward.  Structures that were originally built for relatively mild and dry fall seasons are seeing that integrity buffer erased.  Single family units all the way up to commercial installations.  The rated lifespans and suitability of alot of construction materials depend on numbers and situations that are no longer true, within regions in which they were widely employed.  When they say your roof is for "twenty years" they actually mean a certain number of hours and wind that are historically present.  Good luck with that shit in future.  Used to be you could get federal relief to insure a beach house provided it was made a certain way - not for long.

Yet another reason to wake up day after day and fix our shit, or stack fat knots to pay people to fix our shit.  Hopefully realtively disadvantaged people that work for less per hour than we do, to maxcimize the effect of our funds.

Fuck it. I say we ride this cannon ball straight to hell.

[Jehanne]

That's going to be one of the problems in the us going forward.  Structures that were originally built for relatively mild and dry fall seasons are seeing that integrity buffer erased.  Single family units all the way up to commercial installations.  The rated lifespans and suitability of alot of construction materials depend on numbers and situations that are no longer true, within regions in which they were widely employed.  When they say your roof is for "twenty years" they actually mean a certain number of hours and wind that are historically present.  Good luck with that shit in future.  Used to be you could get federal relief to insure a beach house provided it was made a certain way - not for long.

Yet another reason to wake up day after day and fix our shit, or stack fat knots to pay people to fix our shit.  Hopefully realtively disadvantaged people that work for less per hour than we do, to maxcimize the effect of our funds.

Fuck it. I say we ride this cannon ball straight to hell.

Which hell?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's going to be one of the problems in the us going forward.  Structures that were originally built for relatively mild and dry fall seasons are seeing that integrity buffer erased.  Single family units all the way up to commercial installations.  The rated lifespans and suitability of alot of construction materials depend on numbers and situations that are no longer true, within regions in which they were widely employed.  When they say your roof is for "twenty years" they actually mean a certain number of hours and wind that are historically present.  Good luck with that shit in future.  Used to be you could get federal relief to insure a beach house provided it was made a certain way - not for long.

Yet another reason to wake up day after day and fix our shit, or stack fat knots to pay people to fix our shit.  Hopefully realtively disadvantaged people that work for less per hour than we do, to maxcimize the effect of our funds.

Fuck it.  I say we ride this cannon ball straight to hell.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Fuck it.  I say we ride this cannon ball straight to hell.

Which hell?

Truly the realm of the damned.

[Angrboda]

Fuck it.  I say we ride this cannon ball straight to hell.

[Jehanne]

Which hell?

Truly the realm of the damned.

I thought that Hell was in New Jersey.

[Angrboda]

Truly the realm of the damned.

I thought that Hell was in New Jersey.