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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:19 pm
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In the longer light of history, it's a shame that relations between the us and russia and china have turned out the way they have. Decades of nutballs jockeying for power at the expense of their own nations and countries, always (and always transparently) contended to be in the interests of those countries and their people. Meanwhile, no three nations ever needed each other or were more tied to the hip with each other than we've been in that time. The universe loves irony, I suppose.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:19 pm
(November 7, 2022 at 1:09 pm)Helios Wrote: (November 7, 2022 at 12:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Hey, remind me, what did the us do then?
Oh, that's right, we provided 180b to the soviet union, compared to the 18b ukraine has received thusfar. Guess America was fighting a proxy war against Germany... 
Or they were just giving them supplies to help stop an unjust invasion by an insane dictator. But no that's silly....... 
During World War II, Germany was fighting two wars, the "good war" against Stalin and the "bad war" against the Allies.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:20 pm
Not according to 180b worth of us aid.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:22 pm
It was the case of, "The enemy of my enemy..."
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:25 pm
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Sure. A murderous dictator invading another country, and an enemy. Makes the whole thing kindof easy, doesn't it? Hence the terrible irony of the state of russia, and of the russian us relationship, today.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:32 pm
What would have been the alternative?
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:34 pm
(November 6, 2022 at 1:30 pm)Angrboda Wrote: In the news today is Iran's acknowledgment that they supplied drones to Russia. Iran claims it was a limited number before the start of the war. Ukraine disputes that the number is or was small. Yet on the other side, Russia is accusing the west of fighting a proxy war by supplying Ukraine with weapons.
Is Iran supplying Russia with weapons any different from the U.S. and Europe supplying weapons to Ukraine?
Yes, the nature of the war both sides are prosecuting. Russia is pursuing a war of aggression where acts of genocide are being sanctioned by those at the highest echelons of the armed forces and by Putain himself. Ukraine is fighting a defensive war and, as far as can be seen, is fighting the war to the highest standards of the international laws governing war.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:44 pm
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(November 7, 2022 at 1:32 pm)Jehanne Wrote: What would have been the alternative?
Oh, I suppose, we could have told them to eat shit, surrender their territory, and die, eh?
A compromise presents itself. Perhaps we can revisit the eat shit and surrender proposal after we've dumped 180b on ukraine?
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:45 pm
(November 7, 2022 at 1:19 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (November 7, 2022 at 1:09 pm)Helios Wrote: Guess America was fighting a proxy war against Germany...
Or they were just giving them supplies to help stop an unjust invasion by an insane dictator. But no that's silly.......
During World War II, Germany was fighting two wars, the "good war" against Stalin and the "bad war" against the Allies. You do realize the point of the invasion of the Soviet Union was the ethnic cleansing of the Slavic peoples.
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RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 1:48 pm
Quote:It was the case of, "The enemy of my enemy..."
Or a case that the US knew full well what Hitler was going to do if he won (genocide)
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