Hippie philosophy

[arewethereyet]

The one about LSD usage being like playing Russian Roulette with your mental health.

I'm afraid that a tale of you and your friend doesn't count as peer reviewed scientific back up. It's an anecdote.

[Duty]

I acknowledged that earlier in the thread, agreed. I might/have similarly claim that Boru's claim to the contrary is also without peer reviewed scientific backup. We're standing on the same ground credibility wise then, he and I, except that my claims have...a little more reputation/zest/investment/disclosure etc IMO. Also AWTY - do you dispute that the term "acid casualty" is in common parlance?

[Belacqua]

LSD - also known as playing Russian Roulette with your mental health.

Granted, a lot of those hippies were probably taking LSD and everything else. 

Just from what they say in the video, though, I think there is a respectable side to the movement. In a conformist society, where values are pounded into us from mass media, it makes a lot of sense to step outside for a little while and think about what's really important. It is hard work to reevaluate everything you've been taught. 

I know a lot of them were just along for the ride, and it became another fashion -- just another thing to imitate. But some of them were asking serious questions. I think we could use another movement like that.

For example, "Make love not war" is a good thing to say, especially because the mass media really really wants us to approve of one of our current wars. 

"Question authority" used to be a motto to live by. Now the "liberals" are happy that the FBI controls content on Twitter and Facebook.

[Fireball]

^ Now the "liberals" are happy that the FBI controls content on Twitter and Facebook.  Wrong on so many levels.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Actually, LSD users tend to have a lower incidence of mental health problems than both non-drug users and users of other psychotropic drugs.

In fact, you’re much more likely to develop mental health issues from a divorce, the death of someone close to you, or job stress than you are from dropping acid.


Boru

I assume you have read these things in peer reviewed/scrutinised scientific studies? Might I request citations? Or perhaps things don't roll like that round these parts

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10....00943/full

https://www.jneurosci.org/content/41/5/891

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/adb.13143

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00920387

https://futurism.com/neoscope/lsd-therap...depression

Pick the bones out of that, there's a good lad.

Boru

[Duty]

I'm disinclined to read the links due to the condescending footnote. Manners cost nothing and grease the wheels, didn't you know.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

^Handsome is as handsome does.

Boru

[brewer]

Has anyone considered that the people that have bad mental outcomes from hallucinogens may have had an underlying/pre-existing mental disturbance to begin with?

This may happen with any mind altering chemical, not just the hallucinogens.

[Orbit]

Psychedelics are currently in clinical trials to HELP mental illness, see maps.org and their work on MDMA and PTSD.

[Angrboda]

Has anyone considered that the people that have bad mental outcomes from hallucinogens may have had an underlying/pre-existing mental disturbance to begin with?

This may happen with any mind altering chemical, not just the hallucinogens.

One shouldn't listen to twats, anyway, with or without a history of hallucinogens.