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Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
#41
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
(March 31, 2023 at 1:40 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(March 31, 2023 at 1:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)

But you aren’t dealing with remotely reasonable people. You’re dealing with Flat Earthers, who are already aware of the multiple lines of evidence that the Earth is (mostly) spherical and have chosen to reject it. These people are hopelessly stupid and you are wasting your time dealing with them.

Boru

But maybe many Flat-Earthers are not aware of multiple lines of evidence the Earth is round. Maybe many of them have only heard the Aristotle's arguments, their supposed refutations, and think all the arguments for the Earth being round are about as weak as the Aristotle's argument with lunar eclipse. You know, like I used to think back when I was a Flat-Earther.

That's patently not the case. Go to their various websites - they go to great lengths to point out and reject all of the lines of evidence you mentioned, along with others.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#42
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
I remember a guy who put two stakes in the ground and stretched a wire between them.

"See, it doesn't curve at all!"
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#43
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
When I was a kid I got to go deep sea fishing with my grandfather on his boats and boats he piloted for others. Since the whole family on that side was involved in ocean-going vessels for many generations the fact that none of them fell off the earth never to be seen again pretty much was all I needed to know.

My great grandfather washed overboard in a storm and was found a couple months later...quite dead...but that had nothing to do with the shape of the earth and everything to do with rough seas.
  
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#44
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
(March 31, 2023 at 2:31 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(March 31, 2023 at 1:40 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: But maybe many Flat-Earthers are not aware of multiple lines of evidence the Earth is round. Maybe many of them have only heard the Aristotle's arguments, their supposed refutations, and think all the arguments for the Earth being round are about as weak as the Aristotle's argument with lunar eclipse. You know, like I used to think back when I was a Flat-Earther.

Is this something that you've studied systematically?
No.
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#45
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
(March 31, 2023 at 2:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(March 31, 2023 at 1:40 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: But maybe many Flat-Earthers are not aware of multiple lines of evidence the Earth is round. Maybe many of them have only heard the Aristotle's arguments, their supposed refutations, and think all the arguments for the Earth being round are about as weak as the Aristotle's argument with lunar eclipse. You know, like I used to think back when I was a Flat-Earther.

That's patently not the case. Go to their various websites - they go to great lengths to point out and reject all of the lines of evidence you mentioned, along with others.

Boru
Well, like I've said in the OP, Flat-Earthers generally claim there is no dip of the horizon. They don't provide a word-sallad explanation for it, they simply deny that it exists.
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#46
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
(March 31, 2023 at 10:39 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Well, like I've said in the OP, Flat-Earthers generally claim there is no dip of the horizon. They don't provide a word-sallad explanation for it, they simply deny that it exists.

There you go, they'll just ignore your arguments.

Or when you used double sunset to debunk flat Earth. The thing is that sunsets already debunk their flat Earth model. According to them, the sun never sets but just moves on different areas of flat Earth. Sunset itself did not debunk the flat Earth model thousands of years ago because people didn't know how big Earth is so they thought that the sun just sets below the flat Earth and rises on the other side in the morning, but flat Earthers today know that there is always day somewhere in the world so they made a model of Earth with the sun constantly above it, AND yet the sun sets like it is going down instead of just going away. So what is happening? Are they just ignoring sunsets or have they thought up some nonexisting law of nature that validates their claim of flat Earth?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#47
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
(April 1, 2023 at 1:25 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(March 31, 2023 at 10:39 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Well, like I've said in the OP, Flat-Earthers generally claim there is no dip of the horizon. They don't provide a word-sallad explanation for it, they simply deny that it exists.

There you go, they'll just ignore your arguments.

Or when you used double sunset to debunk flat Earth. The thing is that sunsets already debunk their flat Earth model. According to them, the sun never sets but just moves on different areas of flat Earth. Sunset itself did not debunk the flat Earth model thousands of years ago because people didn't know how big Earth is so they thought that the sun just sets below the flat Earth and rises on the other side in the morning, but flat Earthers today know that there is always day somewhere in the world so they made a model of Earth with the sun constantly above it, AND yet the sun sets like it is going down instead of just going away. So what is happening? Are they just ignoring sunsets or have they thought up some nonexisting law of nature that validates their claim of flat Earth?

Some will. But Flat-Earthers who are like I was a few years ago will not.
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#48
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
(March 31, 2023 at 10:39 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(March 31, 2023 at 2:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's patently not the case. Go to their various websites - they go to great lengths to point out and reject all of the lines of evidence you mentioned, along with others.

Boru
Well, like I've said in the OP, Flat-Earthers generally claim there is no dip of the horizon. They don't provide a word-sallad explanation for it, they simply deny that it exists.

Correct. So, what is the point of trying to educate people who have made it clear than any and all evidence you provide will be rejected?

Not 'refuted', mind you - rejected.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#49
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
Why do we fight religion?
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#50
RE: Refuting the Flat-Earth theory
(April 1, 2023 at 6:42 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Some will. But Flat-Earthers who are like I was a few years ago will not.

I am really interested, what did you think about sunsets when you were a flat Earther? Why does the sun look like it is sinking into the ground instead of just going very far away and becoming smaller as the flat Earth model suggests?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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