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Serious question about thoughts on theists
#41
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
(May 17, 2023 at 9:39 am)KerimF Wrote:
(May 17, 2023 at 9:16 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That seems like a circuitous route to a relatively mundane observation.  OFC all our laws are man made, but our possessing instincts doesn't suggest or demonstrate this.  As a sidenote...how does your private religious certainty accommodate the existence of conscientious objectors, non combatant personnel, and outright protestors - or the numerous examples of any of the three not being imprisoned or murdered?  Are these just moments of rare failure for the ruling cabal - where all of their schemes amount to jack shit and can't get right?

I guess I need to translate first what you wrote with the hope I will know what you liked to say, directly and/or indirectly.
English is my third language after French and Arabic Sad

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For instance, one of the crucial instincts is applying justice (not love) on others. This is, by itself, enough to guide who are created to play the powerful rich masters on earth in defining their justice which differs, at least partially, from one region to another.
English is my second language, after bad english.  

I'm pointing out that your stated reasons do not lead to your stated conclusion nor do they explain or justify your certainty in it however true the conclusion may, itself, be.  

I'm trying to gauge the level of competence you believe the ruling cabal possesses.
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#42
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
Quote: I grew up with no religion at all. I remember in college thinking that believers just needed some kind of "crutch" to make the world more tolerable, but that stronger or wiser people can do without that support. 

This opinion didn't survive once I'd met some very brilliant religious people, and read books by others. 

Also once you notice that there are just as many silly and moronic atheists as theists, it sort of levels the playing field. Religious belief is no longer a way to separate the moronic from the non-moronic.
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#43
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
Quote: I grew up with no religion at all. I remember in college thinking that believers just needed some kind of "crutch" to make the world more tolerable, but that stronger or wiser people can do without that support. 

This opinion didn't survive once I'd met some very brilliant religious people, and read books by others. 

Also once you notice that there are just as many silly and moronic atheists as theists, it sort of levels the playing field. Religious belief is no longer a way to separate the moronic from the non-moronic.
Tell me Bel how do apologist boots taste?  Hehe
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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#44
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
(May 16, 2023 at 1:50 pm)Kingpin Wrote:
(May 16, 2023 at 12:55 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Exactly. Every Christian thinks he is better informed and smarter than Scientologist, Hare Krishna, and a Muslim, but when it comes to their religion they avoid thinking about it and talk about atheists how they look at religious people.

That generalization is categorically untrue.

A generalization isn't categorically true? Powerful insight.
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#45
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
(May 16, 2023 at 1:50 pm)Kingpin Wrote:
(May 16, 2023 at 12:55 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Exactly. Every Christian thinks he is better informed and smarter than Scientologist, Hare Krishna, and a Muslim, but when it comes to their religion they avoid thinking about it and talk about atheists how they look at religious people.

That generalization is categorically untrue.

So you consider yourself less informed because you think their religion is false?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#46
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
(May 17, 2023 at 9:45 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(May 15, 2023 at 3:00 pm)Kingpin Wrote: For all my non-believing friends.  I believe most of you are former believers or grew up in forced religion, etc.  Do you find yourself blanket/generalizing all "theists" in the same vein?  All who believe a God exists is silly, moronic?  Or do you take each theist is their own person and assess your thoughts towards them on how they respond/treat you?  Maybe it's a mix?

I only ask because I see a lot of ad hominem attacks in responses when responding to theists on here.  Personally, I don't care if someone calls me silly, moronic, etc. I'm geniunely curious if that's how you view all theists in general, if so why?

I grew up with no religion at all. I remember in college thinking that believers just needed some kind of "crutch" to make the world more tolerable, but that stronger or wiser people can do without that support. 

This opinion didn't survive once I'd met some very brilliant religious people, and read books by others. 

Also once you notice that there are just as many silly and moronic atheists as theists, it sort of levels the playing field. Religious belief is no longer a way to separate the moronic from the non-moronic.

I used to look just for good knowledge which could be useful in my life, nothing else. So, if I couldn't gain valuable knowledge about Reality from Jesus' sayings (read directly from the Gospel) I wouldn't bother myself thinking of him in any way. For instance, no man dares (if he is an ordinary person) or has an interest in (if he is a member of a high class) repeating clearly and openly the crucial natural truths about how the world runs (by design) as Jesus did on the Gospel. Since Christian preachers around the world know very well how to avoid talking about these crucial truths, there is no reason for the world to persecute them as it was done to Jesus and his first disciples. 

In fact, if by a miracle (since I am just an independent ordinary man) I will present, openly via satellites, these truths (and all the related ones in our days), the world, atheists and theists, will not let me live more than 3 days. On the first day, the servants of the powerful rich Elite around the world will, likely by curiosity, let me go on revealing one natural truth after another while they know in advance that the world will not have the chance to hear them again. On the second day, various investigations will be launched about my past. On the third day, the World's Elite will be informed that there is not even one hole of any sort in my life to be used against me. And a decision will be made to get rid of me, for good, likely by a natural accident.
Answering: What is my point?
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#47
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
One of the nice things about being an atheist is that I am free to incorporate whatever I find good in the teachings of Jesus and reject whatever I find bad or indifferent or useless. I don't have to try to justify some deep meaning for cursing a fig tree out of season, I just toss it out with the rest of the chaff.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#48
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
I tend to clump religions based on little more than how likely their adherents are to ring my doorbell (uninvited, no less) for the sole purpose of preaching at me.

According to this empirical scientific standard, JWs, Mormons, and Baptists are in the worst religions. The Amish, Orthodox Jews, and Hindus are in the best.

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‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#49
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
(May 17, 2023 at 12:04 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: One of the nice things about being an atheist is that I am free to incorporate whatever I find good in the teachings of Jesus and reject whatever I find bad or indifferent or useless. I don't have to try to justify some deep meaning for cursing a fig tree out of season, I just toss it out with the rest of the chaff.

This is exactly what I did because some Jesus' sayings on the Gospel are clearly not related to his main message (but I will not go on about this here).

But, to me, the cursing of fig tree is one of the symbolic acts which show how 'hell' is simply the returning back to the inert state (the state before one's birth) and not an eternal place for torture as Muslims and Jews are supposed to believe.
Answering: What is my point?
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#50
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
Yup. A palestinian witch hexed a fruit tree, and this is a story about a kinder, gentler hell.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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