Islam owns atheism with a single verse

[The Grand Nudger]

You've done a terrible disservice to god and it's creation by making such a claim. My mommy and daddy are obviously the best explanation for me. We don't exactly rise up out of the foam like venus, now do we?

[Bucky Ball]

A real god would have to be the totality of Reality, 

That's called pantheism, Bucky, we're not entitled to it. You're just replacing the word reality with God. In other words, you made the word God meaningless, congratulations!

Not at the level where there should only be a god, (before it created anything), it found Reality was larger than itself ... "God is *good* (not evil). You don't really know what pantheism is, do you ? I said nothing about a "word", ... but we get you really haven't a clue what you're whining about. But thanks for making my point for me, and demonstrating your desperation.

[Loaded dice]

Not at the level where there should only be a god, (before it created anything), it found Reality was larger than itself

So what? that doesn't make theism incoherent, lol.

[Loaded dice]

The whole concept of this deity disproves omniscience.

Um.. why ?

[Bucky Ball]

Not at the level where there should only be a god, (before it created anything), it found Reality was larger than itself

So what? that doesn't make theism incoherent, lol.

LOL, 
It does, you are just too dense to get why. 
Theism is incoherent because it's god had qualities which are definable, 
BEFORE the Creator creates anything. 

You god is "good", before a creator creates or defines goodness. 
Your eternal god found it's eternal qualities BEFORE anything is created. 
The question remains. Where did the Reality your god found itself in, come from ?

Just because you are so dense ... a god can't be the creator of the Reality itself exists in.
Was you god eternally "good" ?

[Pat Mustard]

Hello members of the forum

I write this thread for honest atheists who are willing to reconsider their position. Islam settled the issue of doubting God a very long time ago. God's existence is self-evident in his creation and the beauty of the world.

14:10 / Their messengers asked ˹them˺, “Is there any doubt about Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth? He is inviting you in order to forgive your sins, and delay your end until your appointed term.”

That's it, that's how much it takes in the Qur'an to deal with atheism once and for all: not discussing what is self-evident, because it would be less than self-evident, and it isn't. There is no doubt about God or Allah, because the Earth and everything else require an originator. Atheists are fooling themselves, existence can't be explained by dumb luck.

Thank your for reading. May God bless you and lead you to the right path.

Cheers

So book written by a bunch of goat fuckers tells me that their book is true and I'm supposed to be converted?

Sorry, still not into goat fucking.

[Loaded dice]

LOL, 
It does, you are just too dense to get why. 
Theism is incoherent because it's god had qualities which are definable, 
BEFORE the Creator creates anything. 

It's not clear that there is a before here. Maybe God was always creating things for eternity. 

You god is "good", before a creator creates or defines goodness. 
Your eternal god found it's eternal qualities BEFORE anything is created. 
The question remains. Where did the Reality your god found itself in, come from ?

Since reality includes God in this hypothetical, reality is also eternal, and so didn't come from anything because it always there. Reality never came into existence.

See, your question wasn't that hard after all, nor does it prove that theism is incoherent.

a god can't be the creator of the Reality itself exists in.

Yes, and that's not a problem. Because then God creating reality would be logically impossible, since reality includes God Himself. (God creating Himself is obviously a logical impossibility)

And Got not being able to do something logically impossible isn't a problem.

There you go, the entirety of your argument against theism just fell apart and vanished. 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

LOL, 
It does, you are just too dense to get why. 
Theism is incoherent because it's god had qualities which are definable, 
BEFORE the Creator creates anything. 

It's not clear that there is a before here. Maybe God was always creating things for eternity. 

You god is "good", before a creator creates or defines goodness. 
Your eternal god found it's eternal qualities BEFORE anything is created. 
The question remains. Where did the Reality your god found itself in, come from ?

Since reality includes God in this hypothetical, reality is also eternal, and so didn't come from anything because it always there. Reality never came into existence.

See, your question wasn't that hard after all, nor does it prove that theism is incoherent.

a god can't be the creator of the Reality itself exists in.

Yes, and that's not a problem. Because then God creating reality would be logically impossible, since reality includes God Himself. (God creating Himself is obviously a logical impossibility)

And Got not being able to do something logically impossible isn't a problem.

There you go, the entirety of your argument against theism just fell apart and vanished. 

If reality has always existed, then both First Cause and Infinite Regress can be dispensed with.

Boru

[Loaded dice]

If reality has always existed, then both First Cause and Infinite Regress can be dispensed with.

Boru

Not really. There could be an eternal first cause, which means reality always existed since it would at least contain this first cause.

[reebsmith32]

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