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Free Will Theodicy
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Free Will Theodicy
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RE: Free Will Theodicy
I think a better response would be What about suffering that is clearly NOT caused by free will?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: Free Will Theodicy
(July 9, 2023 at 11:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think a better response would be What about suffering that is clearly NOT caused by free will?

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But the only suffering we can be sure is not caused by free will is one that existed before free will.
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RE: Free Will Theodicy
What did Mr. Theodicy do?
Where is he being held?
Is there a petition?
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RE: Free Will Theodicy
(July 9, 2023 at 12:26 pm)no one Wrote: What did Mr. Theodicy do?
Where is he being held?
Is there a petition?

"Theodicy" is a word coined by Gottfried Leibniz and it means, more-or-less, a response to the Problem of Evil.
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RE: Free Will Theodicy
(July 9, 2023 at 12:24 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(July 9, 2023 at 11:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think a better response would be What about suffering that is clearly NOT caused by free will?

Boru

But the only suffering we can be sure is not caused by free will is one that existed before free will.

Not at all. Loads of suffering in the here-and-now has nothing to do with free well. People killed and injured by natural disasters, for one. Birth defects. Genetic abnormalities. Someone suffering from crippling depression through the loss of a loved one. And so on.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: Free Will Theodicy
Lets not forget This Good God's two all time favorites, hands down. Predation and starvation. I'm not sure it really matters. If god allows suffering or evil because it values some other thing more - that's not really a defense. It's a confession to motivated complicity if we're being as generous as possible. It tends to get worse if you ask why a god values something - like free will - to this extent. More fuel for the soul forge.

I go with the simplest and most evident explanation. Supposing there was a god that didn't want bad shit to happen, or didn't value some other thing so much it was down with bad shit - the reason so much bad shit happens is that this god flat out can't do anything about it. He's on the tip of every rapists penis just losing his fucking mind. Thankfully, we're not limited in this absurd way. We can damn a river, we can vaccinate ourselves and each other, we can eradicate predators and we can grow more food, we can throw assholes down the oubliette.
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