2024 US Presidential Election

[TheWhiteMarten]

What is fundamentally illegal is for Kamala Harris to say we're going to grant parole, not on a case by case basis, but to millions of illegal aliens who are coming to this country.  That does not magically make them legal because Kamala Harris waved the amnesty wand. That makes her border policy a disgrace, and I'm still going to call people illegal aliens.

-JD Vance.

Absolutely I’d revoke it and I’d bring them back to their country

-Donald Trump

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/18/g-s1-2366...pringfield
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03...t-00182328

-cue bad faith bullshit ala "what is word?"  Yes, Dear Leader and the Shillbilly both said they'd deport the legals too...with their mouths, on camera, in front of witnesses, at separate events...and more than once.  It became a campaign plank.

J.D. Vance's statement is in accordance with American immigration policy.

Trump's remark is specifically about Temporary Protected Status of Haitian migrants, as stated in the paragraph right before the line you quoted with no context.

Yes, quoting people out of context is bad faith. If you hear that a lot, it probably has something to do with your continued use of strawmen and other fallacies.

[Thumpalumpacus]

[...] - the short of it is that Mexico's Social Democrat government has no interest in working with America and has been rebellious [...]

Mexicans rebelling 'gainst Americans? Jesus, we might need to invade them next ...

... or make them pay for a wall that will never be built ...

... or at least use those rebellious Mexicans as a political selling point to buy in uninformed voters to our plank ...

[The Grand Nudger]

You keep saying open border like you're casting a spell. I want to point out that..as soon as you're confronted with the citations you huffily imagined must not exist, you are defending the man saying the very thing.

Now..imagine...if all the rest of the shit I'm telling you is also plainly and flatly true...how would you respond. Like that, right? We're not having a dispute over facts. Hell..we're not even having a dispute over the morality of the matter. I'm telling you it's nonsense, and won't work..you're telling me you don't care..and wish it would. Unless you want to provide some workable train schedules to the concentration camps we're not even having the same conversation..are we?

I'm tired of being lied to, how about you?

[TheWhiteMarten]

[...] - the short of it is that Mexico's Social Democrat government has no interest in working with America and has been rebellious [...]

Mexicans rebelling 'gainst Americans? Jesus, we might need to invade them next ...

... or make them pay for a wall that will never be built ...

... or at least use those rebellious Mexicans as a political selling point to buy in uninformed voters to our plank ...

Given the vitriol the DNC has shown towards Latinos over the last few days, I'm afraid you aren't being ironic about invading Mexico.

A better solution would be to close the borders and to suffocate the drug cartels, allowing the Mexican government to no longer be overpowered by their superior economy.

[TheWhiteMarten]

You keep saying open border like you're casting a spell.  I want to point out that..as soon as you're confronted with the citations you huffily imagined must not exist, you are defending the man saying the very thing.

Now..imagine...if all the rest of the shit I'm telling you is also plainly and flatly true...how would you respond.  Like that, right?  We're not having a dispute over facts.  Hell..we're not even having a dispute over the morality of the matter.  I'm telling you it's nonsense, and won't work..you're telling me you don't care..and wish it would.  Unless you want to provide some workable train schedules to the concentration camps we're not even having the same conversation..are we?

I'm tired of being lied to, how about you?

Then stop listening to the people lying to you, filling your head with this nonsense that Trump is a fascist.

Was his last presidency truly so long ago that people don't remember it?

[Ravenshire]

You talk down to me while defending a system that is exploiting millions of innocent people you claim to care about; let's just talk the facts and save the condemnation for when we have an actual leg up on the opponent.

I talk down to you because you only regurgitate the meanderings of a convicted felon that fear mongered his way into power.

Mexico isn't interested.

Give them reason to be instead of treating the entire country as a band of thugs.

You realize the irony of telling me to "do my own research" while quoting up-to-date numbers on immigration since yours were half-a-decade out of date, right?

You realize jumping to a point I didn't try to make with that link and ignoring the one I did makes you look pig-ignorant, right.

As has been pointed out, you really should read for context.

You can't stop illegal immigration with border control. Go as the soviets. There are a few who can remember. What you can do, and Trump did, is become worse than what you fear may be coming in.

[Ravenshire]

You keep saying open border like you're casting a spell.  I want to point out that..as soon as you're confronted with the citations you huffily imagined must not exist, you are defending the man saying the very thing.

Now..imagine...if all the rest of the shit I'm telling you is also plainly and flatly true...how would you respond.  Like that, right?  We're not having a dispute over facts.  Hell..we're not even having a dispute over the morality of the matter.  I'm telling you it's nonsense, and won't work..you're telling me you don't care..and wish it would.  Unless you want to provide some workable train schedules to the concentration camps we're not even having the same conversation..are we?

I'm tired of being lied to, how about you?

Then stop listening to the people lying to you, filling your head with this nonsense that Trump is a fascist.

Was his last presidency truly so long ago that people don't remember it?

No. We remember it quite clearly. We were still trying to fix the damage he did the first time.

[Ravenshire]

Mexicans rebelling 'gainst Americans? Jesus, we might need to invade them next ...

... or make them pay for a wall that will never be built ...

... or at least use those rebellious Mexicans as a political selling point to buy in uninformed voters to our plank ...

Given the vitriol the DNC has shown towards Latinos over the last few days, I'm afraid you aren't being ironic about invading Mexico.

A better solution would be to close the borders and to suffocate the drug cartels, allowing the Mexican government to no longer be overpowered by their superior economy.

Are you really so naive as to believe anyone in government wants the drug trade stopped? There's way too much revenue in the war on drugs to give up that tit.

[TheWhiteMarten]

Right; so by "fix the damage" you mean crash the economy through reckless spending and printing of money, you mean opening the border to record levels of illegal immigration, you mean providing Iran with billions of dollars that had been frozen or restricted by Trump?

If that's your goal of "fixed" then we are just gonna have to agree to disagree; frankly I prefer *lower* crime rates, *lower* inflation, *lower* illegal immigration, *lower* wars being started by geo-political rivals exploiting the corruption and ideological naivety of the left.

Give them reason to be instead of treating the entire country as a band of thugs.

Stop importing billions of dollars of deadly drugs and cartel members into our country.

[The Grand Nudger]

Then stop listening to the people lying to you, filling your head with this nonsense that Trump is a fascist.

Was his last presidency truly so long ago that people don't remember it?

Trump is a fascist...and he's telling you that if you let him do a little fascism he'll trickle down some economics all over your peasant face.  Any defense you try to offer the man on either count he's going to immediately blow up on a call to the curvy couch....or with a late night tweet.

You've mistaken me for a democrat.    It's okay, you haven't known me long.