Good exists - a Catholic comments

[Ahriman]

Hi Angryboda
My answer is God, yours seems to be aggression and evasion. “I suspect something along the lines of … is likely” is unconvincing. 
God doesn’t exist in time. God is……”
God bless
Barry

God not existing in time is irrelevant as to whether there is a temporal boundary or not.  So you've still got to show that.

As to whether my answer is convincing or not, it doesn't have to be, as your argument is that there is no alternative to your answer, and thus yours is right.  As an argument from ignorance, it requires there be no other possibility.

I haven't evaded anything.  Your answer appears to be to engage in side chatter and trash talk that is false and essentially a form of ad hominem argument.

Well it kind of does have to be. Do you have an answer or don't you?

[Angrboda]

How is it than 'science' is not an answer, but 'God' is?

Boru

Well, God is a lot more comprehensive in scope. But not much different in principle.

They both have potentially the same explanatory scope -- they aim to explain everything.

In practice, the scope is limited as science doesn't explain everything and God doesn't explain anything.

[LinuxGal]

Your ignorance is not my problem.  FWIW, I suspect something along the lines of Hawking-Hartle is likely.  It at least is more substantial than magic.

But while we're at it, your answer requires that there be a temporal boundary in the past.  Prove it or shut up.

Hi Angryboda
My answer is God, yours seems to be aggression and evasion. “I suspect something along the lines of … is likely” is unconvincing. 
God doesn’t exist in time. God is……”

Also God (Genesis 2:2): And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

[The Grand Nudger]

Metaphor and allegory. Not to be taken literally, we've been told. I agree.

It seems to me that Barry is trying to communicate the idea that there are things we're responsible for and answerable to, and things we don't want to be responsible for, or answerable to. I agree.

Christians, for example, do not want to be responsible for or answerable to their sins, with which...they tell us...they struggle mightily.

[Ahriman]

Metaphor and allegory.  Not to be taken literally, we've been told.  I agree.

It seems to me that Barry is trying to communicate the idea that there are things we're responsible for and answerable to, and things we don't want to be responsible for, or answerable to.  I agree.

Christians, for example, do not want to be responsible for or answerable to their sins, with which...they tell us...they struggle mightily.

Lol, yup, right. Uh huh. You're saying they don't, I presume? In which case I would agree. I don't think Christians struggle with sin at all, I think they struggle with knowing they are gullible douchebags whose parents did them wrong by "blessing" them with their religion. If Christians didn't want to sin, and they took that seriously, they simply wouldn't sin. They wouldn't have to "struggle" with it.

[LinuxGal]

They assume the atheist forums are mission territory,  like North Korea or some shit, and no one here came out of a religious background.

I’ve answered that. See below. The whole world is Mission territory. The fact that many atheists come from a religious background is irrelevant.

I know you believe it is irrelevant.  That's why you post like we never heard any of the readings at Mass or memorized bullet points from the Baltimore Catechism.

[LinuxGal]

As for the Big Bang, 14 billion years ago. It was discovered by a Catholic priest scientist. What caused it? Things don’t just happen.

Actually, the decay of Carbon 14 to Nitrogen 14 "just happens".

[Ahriman]

As for the Big Bang, 14 billion years ago. It was discovered by a Catholic priest scientist. What caused it? Things don’t just happen.

Actually, the decay of Carbon 14 to Nitrogen 14 "just happens".

And? A giraffe doesn't "just happen", the giraffe atoms didn't just randomly coalesce into the form of a giraffe out of nowhere for no goddamn reason at all.

[arewethereyet]

Actually, the decay of Carbon 14 to Nitrogen 14 "just happens".

And? A giraffe doesn't "just happen", the giraffe atoms didn't just randomly coalesce into the form of a giraffe out of nowhere for no goddamn reason at all.

Of course not.  When a boy giraffe and girl giraffe love each other very much....

[Silver]

And? A giraffe doesn't "just happen", the giraffe atoms didn't just randomly coalesce into the form of a giraffe out of nowhere for no goddamn reason at all.