Is the suffering worth it

[FrustratedFool]

It matters if you're saying it a universal or objective truth, or if you have to have confidence that it is correct to affect something in your life, or if you are trying to convince another.

Or maybe it's just for the fun of the discussion.

I would argue that I personally value consciousness, but that I totally understand that some conscious experiences can be worse than non-existence.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Why? What is your basis for saying one is better than the other? You have no evidence for the one, just the one you've experienced. Not rationality, but fear fuels the typical response.

I have no fear of death. The End is the end full stop

I could make you fear it.

[FrustratedFool]

Dying is scary. It is likely painful and ends something I want to continue.
Death itself is perhaps not scary, except in an irrational way, but is something I don't want at present.

It's easier to just say I fear death rather than teasing out all those bits.

[h4ym4n]

Why?

Just because. Life is an inherently valuable thing. It is not to be wasted.

Says who?

[h4ym4n]

Where are you getting that information from?

My heart? Does it matter?

Your heart can speak?

[no one]

I have no fear of death, it is going to happen. The way thst I might that death has some cause for concern. But, when it comes, I will be dead, and nothing will matter.

[FrustratedFool]

I have no fear of death, it is going to happen. The way thst I might that death has some cause for concern. But, when it comes, I will be dead, and nothing will matter.

True. But you will have ceased to be, and that's a subjectively bad thing, is it not?

[no one]

Not at all.

[FrustratedFool]

Fair enough.
To me loss of things I want is something I don't want. I dislike people taking my money, I also dislike losing my capacity to ever feel pleasure. I label those as 'bad'.

[Angrboda]

The things the world tells us are not half as scary as the things we tell ourselves.