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Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:15 am
Isn't the idea of an omnimalevolent God as reasonable as an omnibenevolent God, and doesn't a reverse theodicy work just as well to justify the problem of good as the problem of evil?
And if so, isn't this a reductio ad absurdum argument against theism?
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:21 am
(August 21, 2023 at 7:15 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Isn't the idea of an omnimalevolent God as reasonable as an omnibenevolent God, and doesn't a reverse theodicy work just as well to justify the problem of good as the problem of evil?
And if so, isn't this a reductio ad absurdum argument against theism?
Stephen Law argued something along that line in his debate with WLC. To be honest, I'm not sure I buy this evil God argument as an effective counter against a God that's good. But I'm going to have to think about this first, and maybe get back to you later on this.
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:24 am
(August 21, 2023 at 7:15 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Isn't the idea of an omnimalevolent God as reasonable as an omnibenevolent God, and doesn't a reverse theodicy work just as well to justify the problem of good as the problem of evil?
And if so, isn't this a reductio ad absurdum argument against theism?
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:25 am
The idea of god, any god, is just plain hogwash, no matter what hooman attributes you endow upon it.
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:25 am
(August 21, 2023 at 7:15 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Isn't the idea of an omnimalevolent God as reasonable as an omnibenevolent God, and doesn't a reverse theodicy work just as well to justify the problem of good as the problem of evil?
And if so, isn't this a reductio ad absurdum argument against theism?
Yes. Yes.
Yes.
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:40 am
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2023 at 7:42 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The omnimalevolent one might even be a better fit for natural theology. The guy who gave the christians the idea for the nt thought so. The god of this world was evil. All you needed to do to know that was look around with your own two eyes. The new god was going to save us from the god of this world. Still bled into christianity even though it was declared heresy - in the relationship between god and satan.
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:43 am
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If we make either assumption we can find ways to explain everything that is easily enough. A sense of fit would just be subjective, and based on a lot of missing information.
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:57 am
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:57 am
(August 21, 2023 at 7:15 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Isn't the idea of an omnimalevolent God as reasonable as an omnibenevolent God, and doesn't a reverse theodicy work just as well to justify the problem of good as the problem of evil?
And if so, isn't this a reductio ad absurdum argument against theism?
If you posit that God is omnimalevolent, I suppose you'd have to solve a reverse version of Epicurus's challenge:
Is God willing to prevent good, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able to prevent good, but not willing? Then he is not malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh good things?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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RE: Evil God and anti-theodicy
August 21, 2023 at 7:58 am
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