Black Pill Dating Theory?

[FrustratedFool]

Again, I don't see that as an ugly guy or an attractive woman.

And again, I've never seen that in real life.

[FrustratedFool]

Outliers don't really argue against a general trend, tbh.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Outliers don't really argue against a general trend, tbh.

Okay ...

[FrustratedFool]

Well, it's true, lol. I accept that in a world of 8 billion there will be all kinds of odd outliers.

But, to be clear, in my personal.lived experience (for as little as that counts), I've never seen (in real.life) an ugly man with an attractive woman (except for prostitution).

I also think it plain common sense that looks matters more than all other things as far as general dating success goes. And looks forms the hard barrier to dating: hardly anyone dates someone they are physically repulsed by: you have to meet a minimum looks threshold to date. No other single factor seems to carry the same weight of influence.

I think lookism and halo effect are real things.

And I think all that matches the core of the BP idea when stripped of its weird hyperbolic rhetoric and sexism.

And I think it a genuine societal problem to have a bunch of people whose basic psychological needs are going unmet, who are suffering, who are often mentally ill, because of bad genetic luck, and who are forming communities online where they stir each other up with rhetorical excesses.

[paulpablo]

I imagine all these pictures of questionable looking men with relatively attractive women are celebrities and they're far from average.  Besides the fame and fortune they're also idolized and usually bring some sort of elite level talent into the mix which is usually found attractive.

[paulpablo]

I think lookism and halo effect are real things.

And I think all that matches the core of the BP idea when stripped of its weird hyperbolic rhetoric and sexism.

And I think it a genuine societal problem to have a bunch of people whose basic psychological needs are going unmet, who are suffering, who are often mentally ill, because of bad genetic luck, and who are forming communities online where they stir each other up with rhetorical excesses.

I don't see any solution to that problem.  

Stopping the communities forming would probably be impossible with the amount of possible ways to form communities online.

A lot of those people aren't having their basic psychological needs met because they're kind of stuck in a stubborn temper tantrum.  It's not that some form of sexual relation is unavailable to them, it's that they want the kind of women the best looking men are having and they want it pretty much on demand because they've seen someone else get it. 

On the other hand some men just get the shit end of the stick entirely, they have barely any options and there's not much you can do about that either

[GrandizerII]

it's that they want the kind of women the best looking men are having and they want it pretty much on demand because they've seen someone else get it.

I would say it's more that they want the hot type of woman who tends to go for the bad boys or the natural charmers regardless of their looks, but I do agree with most of your post. Incels want to be winners in the dating game but suck at winning, so they get frustrated in an irrational manner, blaming others for their misfortune and therefore not wanting to fix themselves, and also not going for more realistic options.

Also, personality disorders and/or autism possibly at play here as well.

[FrustratedFool]

Im not convinced its true that these lonely men only want a narrow type of women. From my experience talking to such folks, it seems that they want to have relationships with women they find attractive. Which, as far as I can tell, is the same as 99% of allosexuals.

I really do think it's siimpy that most lonely people are either ugly or social inept (or both). And that's just bad luck.

[GrandizerII]

From my experience talking to such folks, it seems that they want to have relationships with women they find attractive.

I would've asked them what they meant by "attractive"? At least a 9, with hot body, big boobs, round butt, not fat at all, and ready to fulfill all your desires?

[FrustratedFool]

My experience of what they find attractive, as well as my own real life experience of what lonely men find attractive, is the same as everyone else. In my experience it's a misjudgement to think lonely men are especially picky.