France is Simply Saying Non to the Abayah

[Leonardo17]

[Aegon]

I'll bet all the money on the goddamn planet that France does not enforce the laws against Christian crosses, and that only Muslims will really need to abide by this requirement.

[Leonardo17]

[Leonardo17]

I'll bet all the money on the goddamn planet that France does not enforce the laws against Christian crosses, and that only Muslims will really need to abide by this requirement.

Well that would be profoundly racist wouldn’t it?
 
- I don’t think I agree with that. In US schools almost everyone is wearing large crosses etc. especially minority groups. So these and Jewish Kippas are to be banned.
 
Also, as a symbol, I have come to understand that the Hijap is simply bigger in size. And the message is much stronger. But that’s another issue, so I think they are absolutely right

[zebo-the-fat]

Back when I was in school (1960's) we had to wear the school uniform, no exceptions

[Anomalocaris]

I'll bet all the money on the goddamn planet that France does not enforce the laws against Christian crosses, and that only Muslims will really need to abide by this requirement.

Well that would be profoundly racist wouldn’t it?
 
- I don’t think I agree with that. In US schools almost everyone is wearing large crosses etc. especially minority groups. So these and Jewish Kippas are to be banned.
 
Also, as a symbol, I have come to understand that the Hijap is simply bigger in size. And the message is much stronger. But that’s another issue, so I think they are absolutely right

it would only be racism, or some thing akin to racism, if the discrimination is based on some thing, one cannot change, or are extremely difficult and burdensome to change, to the extent the cost of the change outweigh any benefit of affecting the change

[FrustratedFool]

I'm conflicted by such laws.

My libertarian side wants people to be able to wear whatever they want. My utilitarian side wants society protected from the insidious influence of religion.

Tricky.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well that would be profoundly racist wouldn’t it?

No, but it would be religious bigotry.

[Aegon]

Well that would be profoundly racist wouldn’t it?
 
- I don’t think I agree with that. In US schools almost everyone is wearing large crosses etc. especially minority groups. So these and Jewish Kippas are to be banned.
 
Also, as a symbol, I have come to understand that the Hijap is simply bigger in size. And the message is much stronger. But that’s another issue, so I think they are absolutely right

it would only be racism, or some thing akin to racism, if the discrimination is based on some thing, one cannot change, or are extremely difficult and burdensome to change, to the extent the cost of the change outweigh any benefit of affecting the change

I don't think that's a fair definition of racism or racial discrimination. And I think telling Muslims they cannot wear the garb that is intrinsic to their belief system is a form of discrimination. 

I would also absolutely not agree with the idea that it's not discrimination if you can simply remove it. Negative feeling towards religious groups aren't focused solely on religious garb, it's those who subscribe to the faith that they really dislike. Banning hijab or khimar is a relatively kind, roundabout way of trying to remove Muslims from society.

[Anomalocaris]

I don’t think it is automatically or intrinsically wrong to attempt to suppress expression of specific religions.