Fifty years after the Yom Kippur War

[Thumpalumpacus]

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) on Thursday warned that hospitals in the Gaza Strip could turn into “morgues” without electricity in the wake of Israel’s siege on the territory that cut off several resources for Palestinians.

“As Gaza loses power, hospitals lose power, putting newborns in incubators and elderly patients on oxygen at risk,” Fabrizio Carboni, ICRC regional director for the Near and Middle East, wrote in a statement. “Without electricity, hospitals risk turning into morgues.”

Earlier this week, Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant ordered a “complete siege” on the Gaza Strip, following an onslaught of attacks from Palestinian militant group Hamas.

The order stopped the supply of food, electricity and water to the territory that was already running low on several resources. The sole power plant in Gaza officially ran out of fuel and was shut down on Wednesday, sending the territory into a deeper humanitarian crisis.

Generators were typically used to power buildings and homes in Gaza, with the order cutting off any fuel imports.

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization said earlier this week Gaza’s medical supply has been exhausted following days of violence.

https://thehill.com/policy/international...s-morgues/

... and:

Lee Sasi, an American woman from California, was attending a music festival several miles from the Gaza border when the Palestinian militant group Hamas began attacking concertgoers, killing hundreds.

In an interview with NewsNation’s “Cuomo,” Sasi said she hid with her uncle, who died protecting her from a grenade, and a friend, who was shot defending the bomb shelter they were in. Her pregnant cousin is missing and thought to have been kidnapped.

Sasi said the Hamas militants were laughing as they shot concertgoers.

“They were so excited in their voice, and it was like joy to them,” Sasi told host Chris Cuomo. “Like they were waiting to kill us.”

For hours, she hid under a pile of dead bodies until she was rescued. Sasi said she feels deaf in one of her ears from the noise of gunshots and rockets.

Sasi said she decided to hide underneath dead bodies in the shelter to protect herself from the oncoming grenades.

“Everybody was dying in front of me,” she said. “I was sitting on them and then they started throwing grenades. I had to bury myself under the bodies to protect myself.”

She said she hopes people update the SOS tracking on their cellphones, which ultimately helped her be rescued hours later.

Sasi said she hopes her story will make a difference.

https://thehill.com/policy/international...detection/

Any pretense of moral superiority by either side is plainly bullshit.

[Leonardo17]

Mark Zuckenberg has to answer to the EU on massive disinformation that is circulating in social media:
 
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/11/europe-g...sinfo.html
 
In many countries, parents are advised to simply shut down their children’s social media accounts. Horrifying videos are being shared through these media channels.
 
Personally: I am not watching anything a lot. A prefer reading what’s happening since Saturday morning. Because it’s a part of the terrorists strategy to influence people in a negative way. Seeing a lot of dead corpses / collapsed buildings, people in agony etc. will not help anyone from either side of the conflict.
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/11/tech/...index.html
 
Finally, the warning issued in the web page above must be taken seriously. With new AI technologies frauds are even able to recreate the voice of people you know. All they need is some video of you on you tube. They are even able to make fake videos of people saying that they have been kidnapped, asking for ransom to be paid etc.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023...-destefano

[Brian37]

‘A colossal failure’ as Gaza’s Hamas terrorists infiltrate, catch Israel unprepared

https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-colossal...nprepared/

Assumption was that Hamas was deterred; it wasn’t. Says former Navy chief: ‘All of Israel is asking itself: Where is the IDF, where is the police, where is the security?’

Precisely 50 years after the Yom Kippur War, Israel was under surprise attack — not by Arab armies, but by the Hamas terrorist group. And with Israeli civilians widely and directly targeted.

As sirens wailed throughout southern and central Israel, and the thuds of rocket impacts and inteBothrceptions reverberated, television and social media platforms began broadcasting clips showing what ought to have been unimaginable — including armed terrorists in what appeared to be a convoy of seven or eight white pick-up trucks, four or five gunmen dismounting from one of them on the street of a southern Israeli city, and a handful of others seen running along the sidewalks, weapons drawn.

As rocket and mortar attacks continued, the IDF confirmed what was unfolding: dozens of terrorists had infiltrated into Israel — some by land, some by air on hang-gliders, and, reportedly, some by sea....

(Well, the important thing is Bibi rammed through his emasculation of the judiciary, so now he doesn't have to worry about going to jail in whatever is left of Israel after this war)

This has been going on long before Bibi's corruption charges. I don't think we need to turn this into a conspiracy and imply Bibi caused this, or wanted this to happen. I agree he is corrupt and even most Israelis didn't want him to neuter the Supreme Court, but Islamic fascists have always wanted to wipe Israel off the map and have been attacking Israel since 1948. 

Implying Bibi wanted this to happen is like claiming Bush was in on 9/11. Both are a simple failure of intel. 

If you want anyone to blame Trump would be part of it because our allies, including Israel cant trust America because of his constant praising dictators, undermining our intel, FBI AND DOJ and stealing classified documents. NATO and Israel cant trust us with their secrets.

[Leonardo17]

‘A colossal failure’ as Gaza’s Hamas terrorists infiltrate, catch Israel unprepared

https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-colossal...nprepared/

Assumption was that Hamas was deterred; it wasn’t. Says former Navy chief: ‘All of Israel is asking itself: Where is the IDF, where is the police, where is the security?’

Precisely 50 years after the Yom Kippur War, Israel was under surprise attack — not by Arab armies, but by the Hamas terrorist group. And with Israeli civilians widely and directly targeted.

As sirens wailed throughout southern and central Israel, and the thuds of rocket impacts and inteBothrceptions reverberated, television and social media platforms began broadcasting clips showing what ought to have been unimaginable — including armed terrorists in what appeared to be a convoy of seven or eight white pick-up trucks, four or five gunmen dismounting from one of them on the street of a southern Israeli city, and a handful of others seen running along the sidewalks, weapons drawn.

As rocket and mortar attacks continued, the IDF confirmed what was unfolding: dozens of terrorists had infiltrated into Israel — some by land, some by air on hang-gliders, and, reportedly, some by sea....

(Well, the important thing is Bibi rammed through his emasculation of the judiciary, so now he doesn't have to worry about going to jail in whatever is left of Israel after this war)

This has been going on long before Bibi's corruption charges. I don't think we need to turn this into a conspiracy and imply Bibi caused this, or wanted this to happen. I agree he is corrupt and even most Israelis didn't want him to neuter the Supreme Court, but Islamic fascists have always wanted to wipe Israel off the map and have been attacking Israel since 1948. 

Implying Bibi wanted this to happen is like claiming Bush was in on 9/11. Both are a simple failure of intel. 

If you want anyone to blame Trump would be part of it because our allies, including Israel cant trust America because of his constant praising dictators, undermining our intel, FBI AND DOJ and stealing classified documents. NATO and Israel cant trust us with their secrets.

This war is a blessing for populists around the world. One of them is the leader of the racist’s party of France who announced she stands firmly with Israel.
 

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Another winner is Iran, who is able to show-off as the great defender of Muslims around the world. So they are no longer child-murderer, we all forgot about Armita Gerawand and her family. Because we all know that they did it in the name of “Islam”.
 
Also I have to add this: The issue of Palestine is the backbone of the movement of Political Islam. In their deeper conspiracy theories the US and Israel represent the forces of evil under the rule of devil-worshiping Freemasons who can only be stopped by “Muslims” around the world.
 
I do not watch ordinary TV since 20 year or so. Last week I had some guests and I “Had” to watch some of the local TV channels (here in Turkey). The media account is totally disproportionate. Local news channels are merely mentioning Hamas’s atrocities in Israel. Yet the atrocities of the Israeli army is being amplified. To the ordinary man it looks like Israel is striking our brothers in faith out of boredom or something like that.
 
I did not go to the mosque since several years now. But I am almost sure there are speeches in favor of Palestine and condemning Israel.
 
To me political Islam is an enhanced form of Nazism. Not in the anti-Semitic sense. But the worldview of Wahhabism in a political sense is absolutely authoritarian. It is a mixture of medieval ways of governance with a stratified society. The ones at the bottom do not have “worth” by themselves. And they are constantly being reminded of that. Women have no right over their own bodies. A twisted interpretation of religious tests is the glue in that form of social engineering. Fanaticism instead of free reasoning, group psychology instead of individualism, self-hatred instead of self-love is the main motor of this society.
 
Naturally, Western values of freedom and liberty is a direct threat to this obscurantism. So the ideology has turned (you people) into devils on earth. That’s how they see it
 
And that’s where the neo-fascist Israeli form of Sharia seekers ideology is coming in. Their propaganda is treating all Arabs as savage animals and is backing the idea that these societies do not have a future or right to live anyway.
 
So see the second video in the link below:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/posters-missi...37776.html
 
My only comment is: this cannot be the way forward. I mean, yes, now they have to eradicate Hamah and its twin brother Hezbollah. The Israeli’s will have to take some military action. There is no other way at the current state of events.
 
Then, there will have to be some sort of negotiation with the secular authorities of Palestine. Israel cannot just keep harassing Palestinians either.
 
This vicious cycle has to be broken. This extreme version of Zionism is (in my view) working together with the extremist view of Political Islamist extremism. + Populists all around the world (even Putin) are using this for their own goals.
 
In my case: I am not able to go to the Mosque because of that. There is almost no spiritual gain left for me to go the mosque anymore because my religion has become the most politicized religion the world has ever seen.
 

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So what is needed is a return to logic + a return to common sense. Israel is such a tiny place on earth. So why is it that the international community cannot make a logical plan for the limited number of people in that region to somehow coexist with one-another?
 
 

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not the international community's land and the people there don't give a fuck what the international community says, is why.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Plus settlements imposed from outside rarely last without occupation forces to enforce them.

[Leonardo17]

It’s been 75 years since Israel was created.
 
You know in Germany they have this very fine way of addressing extremism. Nazi Ideology has but a tiny chance of resurfacing in Germany again (despite all those efforts of the AFD + other Neo-Nazi groups). So if we can somehow address to issue of extremist-Jewish Zionism + the issue of Political Islam (which is to be seen as a global issue), than they will be just fine.
 
It’s not difficult for different people to coexist together. In fact the opposite is more difficult. Think of all this neo-fascist / religious / theocratic style of propaganda that is being pumped into the brains of both these ethnic groups every day. From 1516 to 1917 we had absolutely no Jewish, Muslim or Christian issue in that region. So what happened?
 
These are our 21 century issues at hand. And we need to solve them somehow 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton said Friday the attack by Palestinian militant group Hamas that surprised both Israel and the rest of world should prompt U.S. intelligence to ask itself what else it’s missed.

In a Friday interview with CBS News, Bolton said the main threat in the attacks is against Israel, but the U.S. intelligence community should reexamine their approach.

“I think it’s almost certain that having missed this attack to begin with, not just Israeli intelligence missing it, but our own intelligence community, whatever evidence there was, they didn’t draw the right conclusions,” Bolton said in an interview with CBS News. “You know, the next question you should as is ‘What else have we missed?’”

https://thehill.com/policy/international...as-attack/

[Leonardo17]

I believe in a strong symbiotic relation between populist Zionism and Political Islam and/or Islamic extremism. Here is something that’s backing my perspective:
 

“For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank – bringing Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group”, wrote political correspondent Tal Schneider in the Times of Israel last week. “The idea was to prevent Abbas – or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government – from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state”.
 
Dmitry Shumsky, a columnist for Haaretz, took a similar line, arguing that Mr Netanyahu had pursued a policy of “diplomatic paralysis” in order to avoid negotiations with the Palestinians over a two-state solution – a solution despised by the country’s extreme Right. This flawed strategy turned Hamas from “a minor terrorist group into an efficient, lethal army with bloodthirsty killers who mercilessly slaughtered innocent Israeli civilians”, said Mr Shumsky.

 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/benjamin-neta...26166.html
 
 
(typical Ego-Governed personality)

What we need now is the exact opposite. What we need is a strong secular and functional Palestinian authority with which it would be possible to negotiate. But when this central authority is weak and corrupt, and groups like HAMAS are the de-facto rulers of Palestinian territories, this helps Zionists extremists whose intention is to take-over all of the “promised lands”.

 
So there is nothing that can work at this point.

[Deesse23]

I believe in a strong symbiotic relation between populist Zionism and Political Islam and/or Islamic extremism. Here is something that’s backing my perspective:

Of course

The existence of one is a justification for the existence of the other to its followers. Any solution of the problem over there must start by eliminating the extrmists on both sides and the politcal wings of their according religion.