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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 1:55 pm
(January 6, 2024 at 3:26 am)neil Wrote: (January 5, 2024 at 2:22 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: No. A photon does not change energy by the gravity it encounters on its trip. Gravity is a conservative field. Any energy gained from falling into a gravity well is lost by the same amount when coming out.
Gravitational redshift only occurs by the photon "originating" in a gravity well, and being observed in flatter space. In that case, it is the time dilation within the gravity well (where the photon is created) compared to where it is observed that causes the shift.
I posed the following question to ChatGPT: "Is it possible for spacetime curvature to produce a redshift?"
Here's what it responded with (note - errors with copy/paste formatting fixed):
Quote:Yes, spacetime curvature can produce a redshift in the context of general relativity. This effect is known as gravitational redshift, and it arises due to the warping of spacetime caused by the presence of mass and gravity.
In the presence of a massive object, such as a star or a massive galaxy, spacetime is curved. When light travels through this curved spacetime, its path is altered, and the frequency of the light changes. As a result, the observed wavelength of the light is shifted, and this shift is toward the red end of the electromagnetic spectrum.
The gravitational redshift (z) can be quantified using the formula:
z = Δλ/λ0 = GM/(c²R)
where:
- z is the redshift,
- Δλ is the change in wavelength,
- λ0 is the initial (rest) wavelength of the light,
- G is the gravitational constant,
- M is the mass of the gravitating object,
- c is the speed of light, and
- R is the distance from the center of the massive object.
The greater the mass of the object and the closer the observer is to it, the larger the gravitational redshift. Gravitational redshift has been experimentally verified and is an essential aspect of general relativity. It has practical implications, such as in the study of the redshift of light from stars near massive objects, like black holes.
Thoughts?
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 1:58 pm
(January 6, 2024 at 1:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (January 6, 2024 at 3:26 am)neil Wrote: I posed the following question to ChatGPT: "Is it possible for spacetime curvature to produce a redshift?"
Here's what it responded with (note - errors with copy/paste formatting fixed):
Thoughts?
I've seen AI get things miserably wrong. I don't trust it and you shouldn't either.
This is the second apologist recently who has turned to AI for their information. I think that says something.
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 2:01 pm
I don't think neil is a religious apologist.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 2:10 pm
(January 6, 2024 at 1:34 pm)neil Wrote: (January 6, 2024 at 1:17 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Why are my red flags going off every time someone just throws something at the forum wall and ends with "thoughts"?
I said "Thoughts?" because I simply didn't want to write out a very long, boring, rambly-sounding question or series of questions which were open-ended anyways, but I'm curious about these red flags of yours - please tell me about them. They go off anytime someone joins a forum and behaves like you. I was of the opinion that in the troll community were forums or "101"s where they collect experience and take corrective actions regarding their MO. But maybe i am wrong.
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 2:16 pm
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(January 6, 2024 at 1:58 pm)Angrboda Wrote: This is the second apologist recently who has turned to AI for their information. I think that says something.
I know a guy at a military air forum I attend who regularly uses it, despite us lining up and showing him the numerous errors he was reposting. AI suffers GIGO too.
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 2:54 pm
And you don't get more garbage than hoomanity!
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 11:05 pm
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2024 at 11:13 pm by emjay.)
(January 6, 2024 at 1:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (January 6, 2024 at 3:26 am)neil Wrote: I posed the following question to ChatGPT: "Is it possible for spacetime curvature to produce a redshift?"
Here's what it responded with (note - errors with copy/paste formatting fixed):
Thoughts?
I've seen AI get things miserably wrong. I don't trust it and you shouldn't either.
I'm not arguing with you at all but just thought I'd share my experience of ChatGPT. I've been learning German for several months now and it has been an absolute godsend and invaluable learning tool for that. I could never get anything like that level and quantity of feedback, 24/7 with a real life teacher... I can bounce ideas off it day and night, and do. I know it makes mistakes, can 'hallucinate' answers and can get itself into right messes and often seems incapable of acknowledging contradictions in what it's saying, which can be frustrating as it goes round and round in circles leading you up a garden path, but overall I feel I know its flaws pretty well and know what I can trust and what I can't. It's not my only source of information; I have plenty of books and other resources to cross reference with, but it certainly has its place (for me) and I wouldn't change it for the world, it has been so useful for me.
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 6, 2024 at 11:22 pm
(January 6, 2024 at 2:01 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I don't think neil is a religious apologist.
I'm still conducting my smell test.
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 7, 2024 at 12:26 am
(January 6, 2024 at 11:22 pm)brewer Wrote: (January 6, 2024 at 2:01 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I don't think neil is a religious apologist.
I'm still conducting my smell test.
Do you smell?
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RE: How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?
January 7, 2024 at 4:59 am
(January 6, 2024 at 11:22 pm)brewer Wrote: (January 6, 2024 at 2:01 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I don't think neil is a religious apologist.
I'm still conducting my smell test.
I heard a symptom of COVID-19 is the loss of sense of smell.
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