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Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
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Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
   There is a very limited number of countries who are able to produce their own fighter jets. Spain, Portugal, Italy and Belgium are also using US fighter jets or Eurofighters etc. China has its J-20’s. India is working on its TEDBF fighter jets. Our fighter jet (The Kaan Fighter jet) is being compared to the Korean KAI KF-21 fighter Jet.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/turkey-very-f...00460.html
 
Its design is like the F-22 Raptor. Many parts including the engine is made in America. But it still seems like a versatile plane that is designed to meet our need until the 2070’s.
 
It’s still underdevelopment. These are prototypes. A conflictual situation with our western allies would mean that this plain would end up like Putin’s wonder weapons like the Armata of the Su-55 etc.
 
+ Not being kicked out of the F-35 program would have meant a fleet of F-35 (for the same price as this aircraft) and a fleet of Kaan aircraft which would have meant a better prospect in future developments in the features of this aircraft.
 
The reason why I am willing to relativize this would be success story is this:
 
We are working since 1925 (the foundation of the republic) to have a place in aviation industries. In the 80’s we even sold a whole fleet of locally assembled F-16’s to Egypt. We are also producing our own air to air, air to surface missiles etc.
 
Yet this Project is like the first Turk in space (that also happened in February). It’s a show of force, an attempt to influence voters with some military successes.
 
So my argument is:
 
1) Political islamists killed our officers during our war of independence. And they definitely do not like the army in general. Since 2015, we don’t have military high schools anymore. They closed them and they decimated army officers to point which we don’t have a sufficient military expertise now if a major war like Ukraine was to start in this region. They simply hate the secular structure of the armed forces.
 
2) They are actually selling our tank factories to gulf countries. They are like people with NPD (Narcissists): They love to be seen and admired when they seem like doing stuff. But whatever they seemingly did, it was actually done by someone else and/or in is there to hide some major failure. In this case, the fact that we were producing F-35’s with other NATO countries and we ended up not having F-35’s just for some Soviet S-400 batteries that are just sitting in some military hangar somewhere.
 
- So this should answer the title of this thread. There is no “moderate” political Islam more than “moderate” dictatorship or “moderate Fascism”. These are all systems that are based on lies and repression that are there to serve the ego of a limited number of people to the detriment of the remaining 99% of the population.
 
Explainer: The Populist Justice and Development Party (who is in power in Turkey since 2002) has always claimed to be a “moderate conservative party”. So what I mean is that existing facts do not really support these claims Smile
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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
^I must have missed something. What does all the stuff about fighter jets have to do with whether there is such a thing as a politically moderate Islamist government?

Boru
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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
I'm not impressed by the fit and finish on the TF-X. Let's hope this is only a prototype problem, 'cause you ain't getting much stealth out of countersunk phillips-heads:

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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
^That’s what the Polyfilla is for.

Boru
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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
Being moderately islamist is akin to being moderately on fire.
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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
Mellowing typically comes with aging. Islam is still young.
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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
Technically, there is such a thing as moderate fascism. It’s just called conservatism.
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(March 2, 2024 at 7:04 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: Mellowing typically comes with aging. Islam is still young.

If you aren’t mellowed after 14 centuries, odds are you never will be.

Boru
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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
(March 2, 2024 at 7:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(March 2, 2024 at 7:04 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: Mellowing typically comes with aging. Islam is still young.

If you aren’t mellowed after 14 centuries, odds are you never will be.

Boru

Christianity didn't start mellowing until about the 18th century, roughly 15 centuries after it doctrinal organization, and it took the 30 Years' War to start that process, imo..

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RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
(March 2, 2024 at 7:35 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(March 2, 2024 at 7:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you aren’t mellowed after 14 centuries, odds are you never will be.

Boru

Christianity didn't start mellowing until about the 18th century, roughly 15 centuries after it doctrinal organization, and it took the 30 Years' War to start that process, imo..

Fun Fact: Islam has been around for 1445 years. You wanna know how Christianity was doing 1445 years after Christ's death? They were setting up the Spanish Inquisition.
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