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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 7, 2024 at 11:30 pm
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(March 7, 2024 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (March 7, 2024 at 10:52 pm)brewer Wrote: Was you plan to dress up as a furry?
Nope.
That's one derangement I don't have.
Anyway, don't dress at all if you're going to kill someone in a messy way.
Kill.
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I think I'll rpobably ruin your fun and just have a stroke due to diverted blood flow.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 1:10 am
(March 7, 2024 at 8:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Mammoths could have a profound impact on the ecology and economy of appalachia and the midwest. They were the primary habitat creators and seed dispensers for a once vast forest of large fruit bearing trees and veggies where nothing but plain and scrub exist now. The trees, in particular, are only about 50 generations out from the loss.
I'm underselling it when I say that mammoths could save the fucking planet.
Restoring a single species, however important, can’t restore a long lost ecosystem of which they had been a part. Trying to restore and entire ecosystem required restoring many lost species, with a comprehensive understanding of how that ecosystem worked with all the species in it, and also require understanding of how the restored ecosystem will interact with modern ecosystems on its peripheries which the restored ecosystem had never had to cope with in its prime.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 1:15 am
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There's good reason to believe that in the case of mammoths and those species of tree and veg that had adapted specifically to them, it would. They're still around, but their range is tiny and their future uncertain. There are holes in our current ecosystems because, again to trees..it has not been very long since the mammoths went the way of the dodo. Enjoy.
Quote:The first Americans could not have known they were causing extinctions, and they could not have understood the implications. But we no longer have such an excuse. As Aldo Leopold has advised, “The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the pieces.” We have tinkered, lost some of the most important pieces, and tried to put many where they don’t belong. That we will continue to tinker there is no doubt. Everything will depend on how intelligently we do it. And that will depend, in part, on our ability to see the ghosts that haunt our trees.
https://www.americanforests.org/article/...-mammoths/
Or, if we prefer, we could look to the success of modern day programs to revive, reintroduce, and profitably manage the remaining megafauna in species where what little of it that's left remains. It's not just good for the elephants. It's beneficial to the land and to the people. I just cant see the downside in practical or environmental terms. I wouldn't suggest bringing back their predators in any meaningful way, if we could - but ofc I assume that we're all the predator pressure any animal we competently manage might require. That's how it all went out in the first place.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 1:36 am
Mammoth didn’t exist in isolation. The megafauna predators and herbivores that co-existed no doubt exerted some direct control on mammoth population, as well as indirect control through their effects on the competition faced by the vegetations mammoth needed to survive.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 1:53 am
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Of course they didn't. They existed alongside the many animals and species that we still have today - but they were the keystone species for what a natural north and south american continent looked like. Even the places we look at and think of as wilderness today are the product of that eradication, which is emblematic of the situation we find ourselves in and probably represents our first foray into what got us here to begin with. I can think of all sorts of animals we shouldn't bring back even if we could. Mammoths just aren't one of them. There's a compelling financial and ecological interest..and the ecological interest happens to be about a way to get a hell of alot more trees back where they belong.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 3:37 am
Depends what they taste like.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 4:02 am
They are taste like chicken.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 4:04 am
(March 7, 2024 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (March 7, 2024 at 10:52 pm)brewer Wrote: Was you plan to dress up as a furry?
Nope.
That's one derangement I don't have.
Anyway, don't dress at all if you're going to kill someone in a messy way.
Kill.
Shower.
Dress.
Killing while naked certainly reduce the possibility of inadvertently leaving behind incriminating clothing fiber evidence.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 4:16 am
I hope they bring back Dragons, Griffins, Mermaids, and decent politicians.
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RE: What's your stance on bringing back extinct species?
March 8, 2024 at 5:01 am
Given how we usually treat usually extant species, it seems a cruel joke to bring back extinct ones. What's the point of bringing back mammoths to restore an ecosystem that humans - in the long run - are just going to fuck up to the detriment of mammoths?
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