Frankenstein monster is kinda like Trans folks or people

[Sheldon]

I wouldn't fucking care, and I don't understand the mindset that is obsessed by it, and wants to eliminate it.

I want people to listen to what trans people say, and not try to replace their subjective experience with some objective test which may or may not confirm what they've already said.

Like people who "subjectively claim" to be heterosexual...

[Sheldon]

I've answered this more than once already, so I am not sure why you keep repeating the question? 

You've asserted that the evidence exists. 

And linked it, and referenced it, more than once, is lying all you have left? You can't have run out of straw men surely?

[Belacqua]

I want people to listen to what trans people say, and not try to replace their subjective experience with some objective test which may or may not confirm what they've already said.

Like people who "subjectively claim" to be heterosexual...

Yes, there are a lot of us. Have you developed your test yet to objectively confirm that I'm telling the truth?

[Belacqua]

You've asserted that the evidence exists. 

And linked it, and referenced it, more than once, is lying all you have left? You can't have run out of straw men surely?

Ooh, insults.

It's important to note that while we all feel empathy is an important thing, it is also about the easiest of human feelings to switch off.

[Sheldon]

The experience is subjective, but there is objective evidence that pain exists.

That's certainly true. Though later in the thread we hear that some people don't feel pain and might fake it. 

So if someone has never seen a TV, and someone else lies they have a TV, this means the existence of TV's can't be objectively evidenced? I am going to get a migraine if I roll my eyes much more.  

Skin conduction, etc., are not pain. They are associated with pain. 

Explain what you think the difference is? Only if you dishonestly straw man me, and say they are not the experience of pain, we are finally done. 

So we have objective evidence that something is happening, 

And we call it pain, the objective markers presented were what you asked for, just as you earlier asked for objective evidence that people's gender identity differed from their biological identity, then lied it hadn't been given. 

[Sheldon]

[Sheldon]

And linked it, and referenced it, more than once, is lying all you have left? You can't have run out of straw men surely?

Ooh, insults.

I linked material from renowned international psychiatric bodies in both the US and the UK, demonstrating objective evidence for gender dysphoria, you initially ignored it, and are now lying I haven't provided it. You can be as butt hurt as you like, but anyone can read the posts in this thread. I've been as patient with your straw manning as I am able, but it is very tedious. 

It's important to note that while we all feel empathy is an important thing, it is also about the easiest of human feelings to switch off.

What does that have to do with your claim that gender identity differing from biological identity, is based solely on subjective opinion, or your lie that I have not posted objective evidence to refute it?

[Sheldon]

Like people who "subjectively claim" to be heterosexual...

Have you developed your test yet to objectively confirm that I'm telling the truth?

I made no such claim...straw man fallacy...again

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't know how you would feel after being hit in the face with a two-by-four, but that doesn't mean that would give you an orgasm. There's many subjective experiences  that we cannot share, but many we can imagine -- at least if we have a sense of empathy.

Yes, thank you. This is further confirmation that intersubjectivity provides very persuasive evidence.

Right, while you ignore the objective evidence of pain Sheldon mentioned above.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The recent turn in this thread reminds me an anecdote from the production of The Return of the King.  Director Peter Jackson, for the scene in which Saruman is killed, told Christoper Lee to imagine what it feels like to be stabbed. The 6'5" Lee glared down at Jackson and said, 'I don't have to imagine it, you sad little man.'

Boru