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Damned Mormons
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(October 29, 2021 at 8:08 am)Ten Wrote: Hospital employee accused of manipulating Lori Vallow case

Quote:Vallow is currently being held by the Idaho Department of Idaho Department of Health and Welfare after being deemed incompetent to stand trial on accusations she and her husband, Chad Daybell, killed her two children, Tylee Ryan and Joshua "JJ" Vallow.

According to Means' motion, the clinician claimed that making a call to a Church attorney was part of Vallow's "homework" for treatment.

This is getting weird. I mean, it was crazy before, but I am stunned that the LDS church's lawyers are getting involved to support Lori??? And way overstepping by that clinician.

Damn fine therapy!
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Wow, who pays for all this? There are 17 million LDS members worldwide and this looks like it costs a few hundred million dollars.



teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Mormon whistleblower: Church’s investment firm masquerades as charity | 60 Minutes

https://youtu.be/k3_Fhq7sEHo


The excuse: he didn't understand it, we didn't know, mmm baaa, I can't comment on that.

Additionally, Mormon Church can not be investigated because it represents "a great political risk".

And they say that religion is not a crime syndicate.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rub...rcna102731

""Ruby Franke, the Utah mom behind the now-defunct family YouTube channel 8 Passengers, was arrested Wednesday on child abuse charges after a malnourished child with open wounds and duct tape on their extremities was found, officials announced.

Franke's business partner, Jodi Hildebrandt, was also arrested on the same charges. The two regularly collaborate on relationship and parenting advice videos for Hildebrandt's life counseling service ConneXions. ConneXions has been criticized in the past for its teachings about parenting, including prioritizing the organization's "principles of truth" over a person's children.

The Santa Clara-Ivins Public Safety Department said in a press release Thursday it received a report about a juvenile in need of help at 10:50 a.m. Wednesday morning. The juvenile was described as 'emaciated and malnourished, with open wounds and duct tape around the extremities, The condition of the juvenile was so severe that they were seen by Santa Clara-Ivins EMS and transported to a local area hospital,' the press release said. Evidence led officers to a nearby home where another juvenile was found in similar condition and taken to a local hospital for treatment, the release said."



Not directly about the Mormon church but lately there's been quite a few high profile cases of active Mormons in the news for various controversies.

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I’ve seen a few videos about this cunt (trust me, she’s more than earned that insult), and all I have to say about the fact that she’s finally getting arrested is, well…
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And for more context, here’s a video covering some of the drama.





Some highlights:
  • Sending one of her sons to a wilderness camp and then, once he's arrived, denying him the use of a bed for seven months. And it was apparently over a prank where he tricked one of his siblings into thinking they were going to Disneyland, and then revealing it was just a prank.
  • Frequently denying them food as a punishment. The most famous incident involves one of the daughters (aged six) forgetting to pack a lunch to school and Ruby making a point of not making anything for her, and even hoping nobody takes pity on her.
  • Barely responding when their children all admitted that, due to her horseshit, they do not have any friends.
  • Refusing any of her children any privacy.
  • Threatening to destroy a child's toys in front of them. This threat might have been followed through.
  • During the initial days of the plague, actually going out their way to recieve the virus. Like going to New York back when it was the epicenter of the Pandemic, and, once the father gets it, they share a common cup. 
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https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/boy-sco...ocumentary

Quote:Driving the news: The whistleblower, Michael Johnson, was the BSA's former director of child protection. He said in the film that he wanted to implement "what I felt were very medium-level policies and content training upgrades for youth protection."

"I kept getting told that the Mormons may not like that, the Mormons don't like that," Johnson said.
A BSA executive told him: "You need to understand something … The Mormons are sacrosanct," Johnson said.

Wouldn't doubt it. For the longest time, they resisted doing background checks on members who were in callings that directly interacted with children. From my personal experience and my own theories, since all church callings(where the church authority figures(Bishops, Branch Presidents, Stake Presidents, etc.) pulls directly from members of the congregation to teach classes and operate different functions within the church building. Even Bishops and Stake Presidents are not formerly trained in any way by the church to handle social or psychological issues, nor are they trained theologically. They all have day jobs ON TOP of being a leader over a congregation and no one from Stake President down is paid for ANY of the work they do, it is ALL volunteer) people are selected for callings based on a spiritual gift called "discernment" where the Holy Ghost is supposed to nudge you by the heart or give you guidance based on feelings. If you are called to be a Bishop over a ward, the Stake President over you lays his hands on your head and gives you special "spiritual keys" of authority for you to operate this position. One of these is being able to get extra guidance and nudging from the Holy Ghost based on people's character and inner truths. As a Bishop, you are expected to have deeper insight into the members of your ward and to "see through" them based on information given by the Holy Ghost about them. And if you do nt receive these nudgings or if they turn out to be incorrect, it is because that Bishop must not have been praying correctly or he has unrepented sins himself that are blocking the HG's ability to communicate clearly to him. 

Anyway, point I'm trying to emphasize is that because the position of authority is trusted so much based on these spiritual keys of authority, it would create a bit of doubt in the hearts and minds of the members if they started resorting to secular methods of research and background checking. I mean, why would you need to check someone's criminal record if you have access to the greatest truth telling device in the world? Are you a bad Bishop? Are you too sinful to be able to access these keys of your position? 

It creates doubt like that. So, from an exmo's perspective, I definitely see this being plausible because of the culture within Mormonism and what the cult puts priority on.

And just in case we were any of us doubtful on whether the Mormons DO have access to the official keys of god and ARE specially selected to have the gift of discernment:

Quote:Catch up quick: Under a $2.4 billion bankruptcy plan, the BSA last month began processing claims for more than 80,000 people who said they were abused in connection with scouting.

BSA consultants say about 2,800 abuse claims filed in the bankruptcy have direct ties to the church. Another 4,900 are potentially linked to the church, according to a sex abuse claim valuation expert who testified in bankruptcy proceedings last year.

It sounds like a lot of heavy shoulders took on a lot of weight and pressure they didn't deserve and the cult refuses to take accountability for all the young lives who were affected by that faulty method of "truth seeking."

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(September 1, 2023 at 12:37 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: I’ve seen a few videos about this cunt (trust me, she’s more than earned that insult), and all I have to say about the fact that she’s finally getting arrested is, well…
[Image: fuck-yeah-jack-conrad.gif]

And for more context, here’s a video covering some of the drama.





Some highlights:
  • Sending one of her sons to a wilderness camp and then, once he's arrived, denying him the use of a bed for seven months. And it was apparently over a prank where he tricked one of his siblings into thinking they were going to Disneyland, and then revealing it was just a prank.
  • Frequently denying them food as a punishment. The most famous incident involves one of the daughters (aged six) forgetting to pack a lunch to school and Ruby making a point of not making anything for her, and even hoping nobody takes pity on her.
  • Barely responding when their children all admitted that, due to her horseshit, they do not have any friends.
  • Refusing any of her children any privacy.
  • Threatening to destroy a child's toys in front of them. This threat might have been followed through.
  • During the initial days of the plague, actually going out their way to recieve the virus. Like going to New York back when it was the epicenter of the Pandemic, and, once the father gets it, they share a common cup. 

Thank you for posting that video. I watched it and now I am subscribed to SWOOP. She does good research and has an affable manner when laying the information out.

I've been keeping updated on details and conversations regarding this case. Latest thing I saw this morning:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...-case.html

YouTube mom Ruby Franke's relative says 'disgusting' child abuse case is 'BIGGER than people know' and claims other family members have also duct-taped, handcuffed and starved kids: 'I'm not shocked'

Quote:The family member - who said the charges of child abuse are 'disgusting' - said that their entire family tree 'from the roots to the branches' is 'blighted.'  

The cousin of Ruby Franke, whose identity was concealed, told Law & Crime: 'I'm not shocked. It's not a shock at all. The direction in which it went was not what I thought, but from which it came was to be expected.

'I wasn't expecting some of the details in that story to line up with details in my own family history. 

'My mother handcuffed my sisters when they were young, and a lack of food wasn't uncommon, but it wasn't out of the lack of money and there was a time when it could have been prevented and it wasn't.' 

 'All I can say is my mother did duck tape my siblings. I'm not shocked.'

There's no excuse for what Ruby is being charged with but I found this to be an interesting detail that potentially this method of abusive attempted parenting was inherited and taught to her.

A lot of fundamentalist Mormons subscribe to the puritan mindset of suffering bringing you closer to god. Fasting in order to make prayers more potent or increase your ability to hear the Holy Ghost is a doctrinal idea. And in a lot of Franke's videos, she talks about her children exhibiting a pattern of selfish behaviour (at ages 3 and 5 she is talking about) and how they need to repent. This is a twisted Mormon idea not based on doctrine. It is well known in Mormonism that kids don't reach the age of accountability until they turn 8. Until then, there's nothing for them to repent for.

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According to Jodi Hildebrant's niece Jessi, the duct tape thing is apparently something of a trademark of Jodi's.





And given that Jodi was apparently an LDS-approved therapist (whose home apparently costs $2.34 million), I suspect that there were a lot of kids who got the duct tape treatment. Even more if that practice spread to other therapists' practices.

I also decided to look over how common the duct tape treatment was in Mormonism, and while I didn't find much confirmation, I did find this comment in a thread in an ex-Mormon subreddit:

Chubbuck Wrote:I wouldn't call her "typical" but I definitely knew other Mormon parents like her, even my family members, who said the same things. Their kids grew up miserable.

She reminds me of the school secretary (TBM, btw) who used to make fun of me when I brought my kid's forgotten lunch to school. "I'd make him go hungry! Otherwise he'll never learn!"

Ruby's online persona was the voice of these abusive parents. She said the quiet parts out loud.

Then again, even some of the shit she made public before her arrest seems legitimately unique. I've read dozens of cases of child abuse (and I've even been following a webcomic that was about what I can only call industrial-scale child abuse; somehow, even Steven King couldn't make Maine this terrifying, but at least our hero here ends up going all Andy Dufresne in the end), but stuff like literally denying your own son a room and a bed for more than seven months over a prank that basically boiled down to "Hurry up, pack your bags! We're going to Disneyland! JKLOL." is definitely a new one to me.
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Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

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@Rev. Rye That is super interesting! So we got two different sources related to both women talking about methods of child restraint and its origins. It might also be a regional thing. There is something very different about the Mormons who came from or are immersed in the "Mormon Corridor" (Morridor is what the exmos call it).

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The area has a very dense presence of Mormons to the point where they are heavily steeped in the government and even tend to run things and operate the law based on Mormon doctrine. 

But anyway, I grew up all along the east coast and have even talked to exmos from the west coast and there is some agreement that the Morridor Mormons are very bizarre sometimes the directions they take doctrine and such. So, the child restraint and starvation thing could be a regionally accepted idea as well as a response of some mothers to the stress and pressure of producing big families. 

Like, not too long ago, a report came out about Utah being the most indebted state in the nation: https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/uta...udy-finds/

Since Mormons have a flavour of prosperity gospel AND their own version of Quiverfull movement, I can see how the extreme pressure to present a certain face of righteousness with a big family and big displays of money could lead to minor psychotic breaks in women who are not given very many choices or respected autonomy. Especially if there is debt involved on top of it; how much of their lives must feel like a lie? I was watching the H3H3 highlights about this and Ethan's like, "It feels like she doesn't even like kids." She probably doesn't. She might have wanted very different things for her life.

Again, no excuses, but I am glad this is gaining so much national attention so that maybe bit by bit the government can come into the Morridor and start upturning that soured earth.


@Bucky Ball The Book of Abraham is actually old news. But its a pet topic of mine and I always appreciate it being brought up when talking about Mormon lies.

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