US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[Leonardo17]

Paleophyte:
 

Me: The IRI is an existential threat to the state of Israel, full stop.
 
Answers: Jingo for, "We're justified in shooting first."

 
International law is not so clear on this issue. If a country is clearly showing signs of an imminent attack (Like Russia bringing its troops close to the Ukrainian border in February 2022 and clearly preparing a full scale invasion), then you have the right to carry-out a preemptive strike.

 
The Iran issue is different. But after October 2023, Iran did launch missiles on Israel. And before that it supported terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah that directly attacked Israel.

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So I am not a legal expert. But these are all signs that Iran is not a friendly actor and is a destabilizing force for the whole region.
 
Everything aside: Their trolls are all over social media in countries like mine, endlessly shouting Anti-Israel Slogans and trying to earn our support in this conflict (which has always been their conflict and my country being on the neutral side).
 
Saddam was a dictator too. But despite that, he was a good neighbor, at least most of the time. Iran under the Ayatollahs is this giant octopus with some sort of proxies everywhere and it is not Israel that sees “The land between the Nile and the Euphrates” as its own Land. Actually it’s Iran that sees all of these territories as part of their “zone of influence” and they are clearly a very aggressive actor here.
 
In comparison: Afghan Taliban is also a controversial entity. But (for now) hey are only messing with neighboring Pakistan. And otherwise, they are harmless to everyone. Just take a map and look at the distance between Lebanon and Iran. What did the Lebanese do to deserve being caught in the war between Israel and Hezbollah?  As a reminder: There are Christians and Sunnite Muslims living in that country. So what did they do to deserve this?
 
“You say this like it's a good thing. Dear gods you're brainless. Only an imbecile would use Iraq as a military strategy outside the context of a book titled something like 'History's Greatest Military Failures'.”
 
- I don’t know how taking the whole country in 4 days or so can be described as a military failure.
 
“Care to place bets on that? Kharg Island is about to become the sort of bloody mess that accomplishes nothing. These troops that Trump told everybody weren't going to be deployed are about to end up getting killed a lot for no good reason.”
 
- I don’t want to exceed myself in these issues if you know what I mean. Right now I just saw that the missing pilot of the US F-15 has been found and that he is safe and sound:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-m...18922.html
 
Iranians would have tortured, humiliated this guy and then they would try to use it as a bargaining chip in this war. Because that is their way of “fighting back” in this completely asymmetric war.
 
So it is your president elect who is supposed to make this calls (together with his staff and advisers).
 
If I had to place bets, I’d place bets on not damaging civilian infrastructure in Iran because 1) It would be a war crime and 2) I truly believe that this regime was ….ed a long time before the Israel-Us intervention.
 
Otherwise, I need to see the whole thing. This is not Iraq as you pointed out. But it’s not Afghanistan either. This is something new. No good can come out of this. Nothing good can come out of war as I said before. But I think that this regime will go. Just like Saddam’s Iraq, there are cases in which regimes (even brutal and repressive regimes) become outdated. So let’s wait and see.
 
“That we have another fine example of a politician mouthing platitudes while getting people on both sides senselessly killed?”
 
- If nothing: American interests in the region have been secured thanks to this war. But you are right: I cannot really say anything good about the rest.
 
But again: Doesn’t the IRI know all of this? It’s been decades since they have been provoking the US and Israel to do exactly what they are doing right now. Think of it this way: One US F-15 pilot ejects from his plane in Iranian airspace and all of us are on our TV’s (or smartphones) wondering if the poor guy survived. That’s one guy.
 
How does an entity that claims to be a theocracy start a war with Israel and give them a reason to massacre 72,000 people there (in response to their 1200 victims who were brutally murdered in their homes).

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So my view is that intellectualism is not always the right answer to everything. Sometimes you have to listen to your gut-feelings or instinct (as Mr. Trump described this once).
 
“Iraq 1.0 was a complete cluster fuck based on a lie, and now you want somebody who is utterly incompetent to follow that blueprint and send people to their deaths? And you think that's a good thing. Get a clue. Then get another one so that it doesn't die of loneliness.”
 
- As I said. It’s not my call. But that guy is still your president elect. So if you have strong feelings about this, be vocal, make some noise. I’M just an individual person with his individual opinions on this delicate issue. SO I don’t want to exceed my limits either
 
Fireball:
 
This isn’t just D. Trump. Joe Biden was also talking about freeing Iran during his campaign back in 2024:

https://youtu.be/HfWyaYYEY1E?t=2
 
Desse23:
 

“So is any other rambling idiot or criminal acting out on his idiocies or criminal ideas. Your point is?
 
Hes doing raping women and children
Hes doing dividing his own people
Hes doing putting incompetent and corrupt idiots into the highest government positions
Hes doing insurrection
But hey, at least hes doing something, right?”

 
- I have this bad habit of mine. But I am usually not afraid of pointing out the positive things that these “autocrats” do sometimes. If fact this is why they get reelected. Victor Orban for instance is not getting reelected (since almost 20 years now) just by troll campaigns on social media and corporate media that supports his lies and propaganda. These guys usually earn the respect of ordinary people by becoming active on issues that other politicians would simply ignore or postpone to a future date (Like the financing Artmemis project for instance).
 
He is also a huge risk taker (don’t get me wrong). Right now 3 in 4 critics are saying this is a bad war. Only 1 in 4 people are expressing their reserves on this being a “bad” war. So again: We’ll simply have to see how this unfolds
 
BrianSoddingBoru:
 

“I especially enjoyed when Trump proudly crowed that the US had ‘eliminated’ (his word) Iran’s ability to launch missiles, a mere two hours before Iran hit Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, Bnei Brak, and Petah Tikva with those…whaddya call ‘em…missiles.”

 
- Most media around the world is simply addicted to amplifications and exaggerations. To me it has the opposite effect. I’ll unfollow that news source if they keep selling everything with too much dramatic and shocking titles (and or pictures)

[Leonardo17]

Here is the BBC footage about the F-15’s Weapon System Operator and the crew of the rescue team who had to abandon the Lockheed C-130 Hercules plain and be lifted from the terrain of action by another C-130. (They had to bomb the previous C-130 because it was stuck in the sand and couldn’t fall into Iranian hands):

[The Grand Nudger]

President Risk Taker. Always taking things while he risks other peoples lives.

[Deesse23]

Desse23:
 

“So is any other rambling idiot or criminal acting out on his idiocies or criminal ideas. Your point is?
 
Hes doing raping women and children
Hes doing dividing his own people
Hes doing putting incompetent and corrupt idiots into the highest government positions
Hes doing insurrection
But hey, at least hes doing something, right?”

 
- I have this bad habit of mine. But I am usually not afraid of pointing out the positive things that these “autocrats” do sometimes.

Like.....building lots of Autobahn?
And i have this habit of mine to not tolerate obvious trolls like you. Off to my ignore list you go.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

BrianSoddingBoru:
 

“I especially enjoyed when Trump proudly crowed that the US had ‘eliminated’ (his word) Iran’s ability to launch missiles, a mere two hours before Iran hit Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, Bnei Brak, and Petah Tikva with those…whaddya call ‘em…missiles.”

 
- Most media around the world is simply addicted to amplifications and exaggerations. To me it has the opposite effect. I’ll unfollow that news source if they keep selling everything with too much dramatic and shocking titles (and or pictures)

What does what you said have to do with what I said?

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

Rep. Pat Fallon (R-Texas), a former Air Force officer, said Monday he expects President Trump to deploy troops in Iran and suggested such an escalation is unavoidable.

“I just don’t see any other way,” Fallon said in an interview on Fox Business Network’s “Mornings with Maria,” when asked whether he thinks “we’re going to have some boots on the ground.”

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Fallon noted the size of Iran would make it difficult to achieve victory in the country without deploying ground troops, comparing Iran’s 93 million people with Iraq’s 25 million people when the U.S. invaded it more than two decades ago.

“It’s five times the size of Iraq,” Fallon said. “It’s larger in size than Spain, France, the United Kingdom and Germany combined.”

He said he expects any ground operation, however, to win the support of the Iranian people and facilitate a transition to a more moderate government.

“But here’s the thing that’s in our favor: 80 percent of the people in Iran hate this regime,” he added. “So once an action like that is taken, I do believe that people are going to rise up, and the IRGC is going to melt away, and then we can see some kind of moderate faction coming out, and then eventually taking over.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/58180...eployment/

Oh, great -- another jackwagon telling us "We'll be greeted as liberators'." How'd that work out the last time, you simpleton?

[Paleophyte]

Iran needs to offer Trump a really embarassing out. Like paying reparations and issuing a formal apology. Especially damning if the reparations cost less than the ongoing war, which wouldn't be difficult.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Iran needs to offer Trump a really embarassing out. Like paying reparations and issuing a formal apology. Especially damning if the reparations cost less than the ongoing war, which wouldn't be difficult.

Or sell Iran fifteen nuclear warheads.

Boru

[Paleophyte]

Iran needs to offer Trump a really embarassing out. Like paying reparations and issuing a formal apology. Especially damning if the reparations cost less than the ongoing war, which wouldn't be difficult.

Or sell Iran fifteen nuclear warheads.

Boru

We could just give them Trump.

[Thumpalumpacus]

We could just give them Trump.

His flatulence is a WMD, I bet.