US Strikes on Iran (Operation Epic Fury)

[Ivan Denisovich]

- I’m not hiding the fact that I am truly starting to like D. Trump + Netanyahu (at least on this issue). Actually two mine sweeper ships from Malesia + a number of US Marines from Okinawa are being moved to the region. So I think yes, D. Trump seems rather serious about ending this (which is actually a war that has been going on since the foundation of the IRI).

You know how people who like fascists are usually called? I will give you a hint. It's a word that starts with "f" and end with "t".
 

/Do not misunderstand me: I usually do not like populist leaders. But when they are right about something, I will usually be likely to admit it.

They're fascists no matter how often you will describe them as "populists". Additionally one is warmonger and sex offender and second have ICJ warrant pertaining to crimes against humanity. You sure know how to pick people to like.  
 

-  President Trump + Netanyahu are not sociopaths. I think both of them are capable of empathy. And both of them are seeing what this regime is doing to its own people.

They're fascists and one of them rules regime guilty of genocide. If you think that subhuman trash who sends gestapo ice to terrorize citizens of country he is president of or subhuman trash who is in charge of country that is currently committing genocide are concerned for someone other than themselves you're deluded. Or fascist apologist which does not seem unlikely given that you admit to feeling sympathy to aforementioned walking sacks of shit.
 
 

I’ll give a +1 to that.
 
But don’t forget: The IRI is owning Lebanon (+ Iraq + other countries) through Hamas + Hezbollah. (By the way there is no “Party of Allah in Islam, that is pure blasphemy). So what does Israel do?

issrael is committing genocide. You already forgot it?
 

But yes: Israel needs to remove all of its colonies in Palestine and leave the Palestinians alone.

issrael needs to be sanctioned back to middle ages and then answer for fucking genocide.
 

And to end with an anti-Trump remark: We all need the UN and UN resolutions need to be respected. And we need a stronger Europe too. The international order is pretty messed up in our days (partly because of D. Trump)

What a strong condemnation.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

I’m not hiding the fact that I am truly starting to like D. Trump + Netanyahu (at least on this issue). Actually two mine sweeper ships from Malesia + a number of US Marines from Okinawa are being moved to the region. So I think yes, D. Trump seems rather serious about ending this (which is actually a war that has been going on since the foundation of the IRI). 

‘Maybe we shouldn’t even be there [Iran] at all.’ - Donald Trump

Don’t think for a moment that this elective war is anything but a way for Trump to distract from the Epstein scandal and his failed economic policies and a plan to keep Netanyahu from spending the rest of his life in prison.

Trump could not possibly care less about regime change or the fate of the Iranian people. The only thing Trump is serious about ending is his disastrous miscalculation in starting this war in the first place. Wake the fuck up.

Boru

[Deesse23]

+ If Iran hits a NATO ship, it is going to be at war with NATO. So how is this going to work?
 

There will be no NATO ships, thats the point.

[Deesse23]

You're being terribly naive.

Looking at Leonardos reasoning (wrt to this topic as well as to previous ones) i think its fair to say its a "good" mix of naivety and really not knowing where to put a proper line between "good" or "bad". In other words, his moral compass is skewed, not by 180°, but significantly/measurably. I do give him credit for being 100% honest about it.

[Thumpalumpacus]

[...] Actually two mine sweeper ships from Malesia + a number of US Marines from Okinawa are being moved to the region.

Thanks to Brian, I just noticed this. This is only partially correct. MEU 31(?) is deploying from Okinawa, yes, but the minesweepers have been moved to, not from, Malaysia:

The U.S. Navy Independence class Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara, which are configured for minesweeping duties, have appeared in port in Malaysia. Both of these ships were last known to be forward-deployed in the Middle East, having arrived in Bahrain in the past year or so to take the place of a group of now-decommissioned Avenger class mine hunters. Now, as Iranian attacks on commercial ships have caused a virtual halt to maritime traffic through the highly strategic Strait of Hormuz, these ships have emerged thousands of miles away. The extent to which Iran has seeded naval mines in the Strait already is unclear, but this remains a huge threat to the future security of the waterway and will have to be taken into account in any future effort to reopen this critical waterway.

The dateline on that article is 15 Mar, so it's pretty fresh dope.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

If Iran hits a NATO ship, it is going to be at war with NATO. So how is this going to work?

Wrong. Article 5, the bit about ‘an attack on one is an attack on all’ only applies to attacks that occur in Europe or North America, with a few addenda covering Turkey, overseas territorial possessions of the member States, and a handful of islands.

Boru

[Paleophyte]

Famously, Trump whined about getting pulled into a meaningless war if this scenario played out. He suggested that if Montenegro attacked Russia (How? They don't share a border...) then all of NATO could be pulled into World War III. Article 5 applies to when NATO members are attacked, not when they instigate hostilities. Right now, the rest of the world is taking the position that the US needs to clean up the mess that they created.

Right now I'm wondering how many Marines that shithead is going to get killed when he lands an insufficient force without proper support, fails to follow through, and has no forces in place to extract them when it all goes south.

[Mr Greene]

It's obvious that Trump will abandon the place at the first opportunity. His comments on other countries not helping are particularly rich given he didn't help when someone collapsed in his own office.
I'm somewhat surprised he hasn't done a runner already, I suppose Netenyahu's BS and Saudi back handers are worth more for the time being.

[Thumpalumpacus]

@Leonardo17

If Iran hits a NATO ship, it is going to be at war with NATO. So how is this going to work?

Wrong. Article 5, the bit about ‘an attack on one is an attack on all’ only applies to attacks that occur in Europe or North America, with a few addenda covering Turkey, overseas territorial possessions of the member States, and a handful of islands.

Boru

Interestingly enough, the state of Hawaii is not covered under Article 5.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17


Wrong. Article 5, the bit about ‘an attack on one is an attack on all’ only applies to attacks that occur in Europe or North America, with a few addenda covering Turkey, overseas territorial possessions of the member States, and a handful of islands.

Boru

Interestingly enough, the state of Hawaii is not covered under Article 5.

It is kind of a stepchild of Article 5, though. Article 4 mandates consultation when a member state feels their territories are being threatened

In the olden days (pre-Trump) I couldn’t imagine an attack on Hawaii not leading to the  Article 4 consultations followed in short order by Article 5 actions. Now, I’m not so sure.

Boru