How Many Has God Killed?

[Gawdzilla]

[Doubting Thomas]

Meanwhile, Satan only killed 10 people (in the story of Job), but this was done with God's bidding & permission, so I think entrapment applies here.

[RDK]

If you would like to start at the very beginning, lets proceed with what you have to agree is our common source. No form of logic can be used unless some facts are established in order to prove a claim. We only know what we can perceive through the senses that we have. We have not (at least I am not aware of any other way) been given any special powers to determine the outcomes of our conclusions. We are stuck trying to reason with a limited ability to prove anything that we are perceiving. We have to establish common ground rules in order to communicate with any real simplicity or understanding. What is true? We are all asking ourselves what it all must mean, if we are seeking anyway. I don't think that anyone of you here are writing each other just to waste time. If agreeing to believe in nothing at all makes you content, I don't have a problem with that. But, if you are a seeker, you won't rest from trying to ask all the questions that you can to validate the belief system that you choose. From the time of your first breath on this planet, you had to trust that the second breath that you took would continue to give you that good warm feeling that you were given-life.You did not understand how those breaths worked to keep you alive. You just kept it up because it just didn't feel good any other way. Your belief system started that day. You trusted that the air supply would continue, and your faith was that it would.
If starting from birth is just another mind puzzle to solve, then maybe we should start from absolute zero. Did everything start from total blackness and nothingness, or was there some organized, (or even random) mass that got it all going? Either choice will yield the same solution. There could be multiple answers to any questions that follow. Multiple variables always yields a multi-choice possibility. I can not tell anyone an answer to anything. You will listen to someone for your answer, or you will concoct one of your own. Just follow me with some observations of my own. The concept of consciousness is interesting to consider. You look out into the blackness( or random mass etc.) and wonder where thinking ever came from. Somehow, this mass or blackness began to get organized. I know that I am concluding something here, but there needs to be some kind of groundbreaking going on to spawn all of creation. Does it make any sense, by looking at the beginning of inanimate particles floating around in the dark, that those non-conscious particles would begin to organize themselves into anything at all? Could it be that our (new concept) universe might just decide on its own to make itself some rules to follow?
No, that is impossible. Random junk just don't make organized junk. What rules make this junk become junk in the first place? Is it all just an accident? Or, is consciousness making it's first appearance? I am making a leap of faith here. I am conscious I think. Did it come from something that had no order at all, or is it behaving in an orderly kind of way? I can not prove anything! All I can do is try to figure out the source of thought from just a pile of space junk which must have had no thought of its own.
For me to conclude anything from any of these assertions is, of course, only a possibility, because we can't say with certainty from where, or how, did any of us get a start. If you don't care, it doesn't matter anyway. You're content perhaps with no answers at all. But, if the possibility of a conscious start is interesting, then try to prove if it is possible or not. Besides, if all of this thinking stuff is interesting, it could also be possibly true. Was thought the source of everything? Is it a fact that we think? You might believe that I am not. I must be existing in some other kind of realm which can have no simple answer at all. If you are sure that this is the case, then this story is over. We talk because there isn't anything else to do with our time.
If what I am proposing is true, you have some very interesting possibilities to consider. Do the thoughts that we think have a source that operates the same way that we do? Also, where do all of the garbage thoughts come from, or, why are they there. I am not going to get all biblical or anything. All of this is as provable as gravity if you bypass all of the junk that men have thrown out there.

[thesummerqueen]

TLDR.

[Cinjin]

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If you would like to start at the very beginning, lets proceed with what you have to agree is our common source. No form of logic can be used unless some facts are established in order to prove a claim. We only know what we can perceive through the senses that we have. We have not (at least I am not aware of any other way) been given any special powers to determine the outcomes of our conclusions. We are stuck trying to reason with a limited ability to prove anything that we are perceiving. We have to establish common ground rules in order to communicate with any real simplicity or understanding. What is true? We are all asking ourselves what it all must mean, if we are seeking anyway. I don't think that anyone of you here are writing each other just to waste time. If agreeing to believe in nothing at all makes you content, I don't have a problem with that. But, if you are a seeker, you won't rest from trying to ask all the questions that you can to validate the belief system that you choose. From the time of your first breath on this planet, you had to trust that the second breath that you took would continue to give you that good warm feeling that you were given-life.You did not understand how those breaths worked to keep you alive. You just kept it up because it just didn't feel good any other way. Your belief system started that day. You trusted that the air supply would continue, and your faith was that it would.
If starting from birth is just another mind puzzle to solve, then maybe we should start from absolute zero. Did everything start from total blackness and nothingness, or was there some organized, (or even random) mass that got it all going? Either choice will yield the same solution. There could be multiple answers to any questions that follow. Multiple variables always yields a multi-choice possibility. I can not tell anyone an answer to anything. You will listen to someone for your answer, or you will concoct one of your own. Just follow me with some observations of my own. The concept of consciousness is interesting to consider. You look out into the blackness( or random mass etc.) and wonder where thinking ever came from. Somehow, this mass or blackness began to get organized. I know that I am concluding something here, but there needs to be some kind of groundbreaking going on to spawn all of creation. Does it make any sense, by looking at the beginning of inanimate particles floating around in the dark, that those non-conscious particles would begin to organize themselves into anything at all? Could it be that our (new concept) universe might just decide on its own to make itself some rules to follow?
No, that is impossible. Random junk just don't make organized junk. What rules make this junk become junk in the first place? Is it all just an accident? Or, is consciousness making it's first appearance? I am making a leap of faith here. I am conscious I think. Did it come from something that had no order at all, or is it behaving in an orderly kind of way? I can not prove anything! All I can do is try to figure out the source of thought from just a pile of space junk which must have had no thought of its own.
For me to conclude anything from any of these assertions is, of course, only a possibility, because we can't say with certainty from where, or how, did any of us get a start. If you don't care, it doesn't matter anyway. You're content perhaps with no answers at all. But, if the possibility of a conscious start is interesting, then try to prove if it is possible or not. Besides, if all of this thinking stuff is interesting, it could also be possibly true. Was thought the source of everything? Is it a fact that we think? You might believe that I am not. I must be existing in some other kind of realm which can have no simple answer at all. If you are sure that this is the case, then this story is over. We talk because there isn't anything else to do with our time.
If what I am proposing is true, you have some very interesting possibilities to consider. Do the thoughts that we think have a source that operates the same way that we do? Also, where do all of the garbage thoughts come from, or, why are they there. I am not going to get all biblical or anything. All of this is as provable as gravity if you bypass all of the junk that men have thrown out there.

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[reverendjeremiah]

How Many Has God Killed?

Well, if I read the book of Revelations correctly, god plans on killing EVERYONE in the end.

[thesummerqueen]

"...yep, I hate him" - Doc Holiday ~ Tombstone

^ sexy

[Minimalist]

Stop making me smile, it still hurts.

See what happens when women yak too much?

No form of logic can be used unless some facts are established in order to prove a claim.

I agree. Now all you need are some facts.

[thesummerqueen]

Only old farts get away with such blatant smartassery.

[Minimalist]

Guilty.