Natural Selection Seems Insufficient

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

  Look...if you don't actually believe on the basis of any of this shit - if you being wrong about all of it would not modify your belief...then don't waste our time or your time dragging your own gods good name through the mud over shit that doesn't matter to anyone.

I don't think it's a waste of time to debate the merits and demerits of competing metaphysical world views. Might be eye-opening to all parties.

Not gods, though.  Huh?  Maybe you're just a particularly small minded domino confusing it's own ignorance for gods actions, attributes, and limitations?

As I can't seem to find an alternative theodicy worth the paper it's printed on...

Gods don't exist to deserve anything.

Deflection.  

I already told you I wasn't interested in being your boyfriend's boyfriend.  

You pointed me to a passage in scripture, I just responded in kind.

You're a bad witness dude.  You could fuck up introducing sugar to a toddler.  I think it's hilarious...but I'm guessing it's something you might want to work on.

Since the whole church still seems clueless on the biblical term "witness", I suspect you are equally in the dark. Hint: "bad witness" is oxymoronic, once you understand the term.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

  Look...if you don't actually believe on the basis of any of this shit - if you being wrong about all of it would not modify your belief...then don't waste our time or your time dragging your own gods good name through the mud over shit that doesn't matter to anyone.

I don't think it's a waste of time to debate the merits and demerits of competing metaphysical world views. Might be eye-opening to all parties.

You aren't doing that, though...not just because you do not understand the metaphysical worldviews you attempt to discuss but because it does not matter whether or not you do or whether or not the world is this way or that way.....these things are not truly informative to you.  You don't have any commitment to a particular metaphysical worldview and if it turned out that your objections to this or that metaphysical worldview were misinformed...well......as you've told us...that doesn't really matter.  

Not to you.  Not to me. To no one.  Look...if you're willing to take a strong position and say that you need x y or z to be true for your beliefs to be true...sure, there's value in discussing whether or not x y and z are indeed true or whether we have good reason to believe they might be.  If you don't actually care.  If these things aren't what you really believe in, and you're willing to discard them at first convenience for whatever other thing you do believe in....then you've wasted everyone's time.

Not gods, though.  Huh?  Maybe you're just a particularly small minded domino confusing it's own ignorance for gods actions, attributes, and limitations?

As I can't seem to find an alternative theodicy worth the paper it's printed on...

Sounds like yet another you problem to me. You cant find the thing that satisfies all of your domino demands.  So what? Is a god supposed to be limited by what you find acceptible?

Gods don't exist to deserve anything.

Deflection.  

A flat statement of fact to keep us grounded as we discuss your fantasies various and sundry.  

I already told you I wasn't interested in being your boyfriend's boyfriend.  

You pointed me to a passage in scripture, I just responded in kind.

Did you, though?  Or did you just re-demonstrate how poor a witness you make?  

You're a bad witness dude.  You could fuck up introducing sugar to a toddler.  I think it's hilarious...but I'm guessing it's something you might want to work on.

Since the whole church still seems clueless on the biblical term "witness", I suspect you are equally in the dark. Hint: "bad witness" is oxymoronic, once you understand the term.

Why the fuck would I care what The Whole Church™ is bad at?  

Very few people here are going to be too upset by you not knowing shit, being bad at things, having no easy answers, and lacking the courage of your alleged convictions.  If I had to draw up a list it would be short and probably only contain you.....if it contains you.  It may even be the case that these things, if they matter, only matter to a real god that does exist.... and that poor fucker remains completely unrepresented in our discussions.

Here, allow me...a goddamned atheist....to offer you a wider and more encompassing vision of the divine. One where you don't have to show your own faults or insist that your faults are god's own. A real god who does exist made the world exactly as we see it. A world where things you say are impossible and gibberish are simply true, where they happen all the time. A world where dominoes can think and do. A world where there was never any need to tinker with the genome. A world where gravity.....as unfathomable as it may be to you.....exists. The world of Job 41.

[Angrboda]

[Ravenshire]

I don't think it's a waste of time to debate the merits and demerits of competing metaphysical world views. Might be eye-opening to all parties.

While debate can be eye-opening, what you're engaging in is eye-watering.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't think it's a waste of time to debate the merits and demerits of competing metaphysical world views. Might be eye-opening to all parties.

While debate can be eye-opening, what you're engaging in is eye-watering.

He could do with a good brain- opening.

Boru

[Jal]

I don't think it's a waste of time to debate the merits and demerits of competing metaphysical world views. Might be eye-opening to all parties.

You aren't doing that, though...not just because you do not understand the metaphysical worldviews you attempt to discuss but because it does not matter whether or not you do or whether or not the world is this way or that way.....these things are not truly informative to you.  You don't have any commitment to a particular metaphysical worldview and if it turned out that your objections to this or that metaphysical worldview were misinformed...well......as you've told us...that doesn't really matter.  

Not to you.  Not to me. To no one.  Look...if you're willing to take a strong position and say that you need x y or z to be true for your beliefs to be true...sure, there's value in discussing whether or not x y and z are indeed true or whether we have good reason to believe they might be.  If you don't actually care.  If these things aren't what you really believe in, and you're willing to discard them at first convenience for whatever other thing you do believe in....then you've wasted everyone's time.

As I can't seem to find an alternative theodicy worth the paper it's printed on...

Sounds like yet another you problem to me. You cant find the thing that satisfies all of your domino demands.  So what?  Is a god supposed to be limited by what you find acceptible?

Deflection.  

A flat statement of fact to keep us grounded as we discuss your fantasies various and sundry.  

You pointed me to a passage in scripture, I just responded in kind.

Did you, though?  Or did you just re-demonstrate how poor a witness you make?  

Since the whole church still seems clueless on the biblical term "witness", I suspect you are equally in the dark. Hint: "bad witness" is oxymoronic, once you understand the term.

Why the fuck would I care what The Whole Church™ is bad at?  

Very few people here are going to be too upset by you not knowing shit, being bad at things, having no easy answers, and lacking the courage of your alleged convictions.  If I had to draw up a list it would be short and probably only contain you.....if it contains you.  It may even be the case that these things, if they matter, only matter to a real god that does exist.... and that poor fucker remains completely unrepresented in our discussions.

Here, allow me...a goddamned atheist....to offer you a wider and more encompassing vision of the divine.  One where you don't have to show your own faults or insist that your faults are god's own.  A real god who does exist made the world exactly as we see it.  A world where things you say are impossible and gibberish are simply true, where they happen all the time.  A world where dominoes can think and do.  A world where there was never any need to tinker with the genome.  A world where gravity.....as unfathomable as it may be to you.....exists.  The world of Job 41.

This is just deflection coupled with cheap-shot polemics. As there isn't much worth responding to, I'll merely reiterate one point.

A debate can be informative regardless of the debaters' presuppositions, for instance one can play devil's advocate. An obvious example is the mock trials conducted by law-students and even real lawyers. Moreover the Inward Witness doesn't indoctrinate my metaphysics, it just tells me Jesus is Lord, a claim accepted by a number of evolutionists.

[Jal]

Oh heck, I guess on second thought one more response is apropos.

Here, allow me...a goddamned atheist....to offer you a wider and more encompassing vision of the divine.  One where you don't have to show your own faults or insist that your faults are god's own.  A real god who does exist made the world exactly as we see it.  A world where things you say are impossible and gibberish are simply true, where they happen all the time.  A world where dominoes can think and do.  A world where there was never any need to tinker with the genome.  A world where gravity.....as unfathomable as it may be to you.....exists.  The world of Job 41.

So this would be YOUR theodicy, if you had to write one? For example this would be your solution to the Problem of Evil, if you had to defend theism?

You're joking, right? You haven't addressed anything at all. You haven't addressed time, creation, God's origin if any, divine merit, the nature of holiness, the existence of evil, eschatology, sin, justice, judgment, etc.

Funny you keep chastising me for drawing science-related conclusions where I lack expertise. Maybe you should take your own advice with regard to theology-related conclusions?

[awty]

Oh heck, I guess on second thought one more response is apropos.

Here, allow me...a goddamned atheist....to offer you a wider and more encompassing vision of the divine.  One where you don't have to show your own faults or insist that your faults are god's own.  A real god who does exist made the world exactly as we see it.  A world where things you say are impossible and gibberish are simply true, where they happen all the time.  A world where dominoes can think and do.  A world where there was never any need to tinker with the genome.  A world where gravity.....as unfathomable as it may be to you.....exists.  The world of Job 41.

So this would be YOUR theodicy, if you had to write one? For example this would be your solution to the Problem of Evil, if you had to defend theism?

You're joking, right? You haven't addressed anything at all. You haven't addressed time, creation, God's origin if any, divine merit, the nature of holiness, the existence of evil, eschatology, sin, justice, judgment, etc.

Funny you keep chastising me for drawing science-related conclusions where I lack expertise.  Maybe you should take your own advice with regard to theology-related conclusions?

bold mine

Understatement of the year.

[The Grand Nudger]

This is just deflection coupled with cheap-shot polemics. As there isn't much worth responding to, I'll merely reiterate one point.

A debate can be informative regardless of the debaters' presuppositions, for instance one can play devil's advocate. An obvious example is the mock trials conducted by law-students and even real lawyers. Moreover the Inward Witness doesn't indoctrinate my metaphysics, it just tells me Jesus is Lord, a claim accepted by a number of evolutionists.

 After all this, so many pages of bullshit.......you say what?  That "a number" of people who aren't as ignorant as you can still accept christ as lord?

Well no shit.

You want to talk about real lawyers? Well. Real Lawyers™ acknowledged in a Real Court™ that the shit you believe is not in evidence. That it's a faith position. So maybe miss us with all of this "the universe cant do this or that" nonsense....eh? We have not been having any debate. You've been saying unnecessary shit that is obviously and demonstrably false...and I've been calling you filth. That's it, that's all. Every time you open your mouth you print a new non-beliver.

Good job.

[Nay_Sayer]

Sounds like yet another you problem to me. You cant find the thing that satisfies all of your domino demands.  So what?  Is a god supposed to be limited by what you find acceptible?

A flat statement of fact to keep us grounded as we discuss your fantasies various and sundry.  

Did yn faults or insist that your faults are god's own.  A real god who does exist made the world exac
This is just deflection coupled with cheap-shot polemics. As there isn't much worth responding to, I'll merely reiterate one point.

A debate can be informative regardless of the debaters' presuppositions, for instance one can play devil's advocate. An obvious example is the mock trials conducted by law-students and even real lawyers. Moreover the Inward Witness doesn't indoctrinate my metaphysics, it just tells me Jesus is Lord, a claim accepted by a number of evolutionists.

Evolutionist isn't a thing.  Your slip is showing.

May FSM unharden your heart