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Evidence for Jesus Christ?
RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
I'll count you as a believer Chuck Big Grin
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RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
If people could experience their own personal miracles, there would never again be any dispute with Christians. My ex-wife had some problems in her relationship with me and she left. Her life did not improve afterwards. . She needed an operation for gall bladder trouble and the doctor slipped with the laser cutting into her bile duct. This went un-noticed by the doctors until some weeks later she began to feel a great deal of pain in her abdomen. It just got worse until she began to turn yelow. The doctors photographed her interior with an endoscope, and it revealed the destruction that had happened inside. The acids from the perforated duct had eaten through the surfaces of many of the organs and they told her that there was nothing that they could do. She realized that she had been given a death sentence for the mistake that they could not correct.
She must have had a major change of heart about all of this. She came to my house to apologize for the things that had happened between us. She made peace with other people as well. She resigned herself to her fate, but now had only the hope that God could heal her. About a week later her drainage tube just dropped out of her side. She made haste to the doctor to inspect the open hole. He did another view of her insides and found that now there was nothing wrong with her anymore. They were so shocked by the turn-around that that offered to do an operation on her to inspect and validate their observations. She declined their offer. They sealed the hole and home she went. That was twenty-one years ago.
God's greatest miracles happen when there is no other alternative to the problem that you have. Even if you didn't care to thank anyone for this, it is a genuine miracle which happened to someone with no other hope.
I suppose that you guys need to hear about more things like this from average people. I've seen so many accounts of these things happening right in front of me, it would take a book to share them all. Hope someone out there gets inspired.
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RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
It's no miracle for a credulous ignorant morons to see miracle where ever his or her disgraceful suggestibility overwhelms whatever tiny amount of sense he or she has left.

It would be a miracle indeed if such a moron were to grow a brain and see for what they are the things he or she formerly thought to be miracles.
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RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
Hmmm.....although I'm sure our medically challenged pal will shit a brick it seems that

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-biloma.htm

Quote:A biloma or biliary cyst is a collection of bile inside the abdomen which has become encapsulated with epithelial cells. There are a number of situations which can contribute to the formation of a biloma, and there are several treatment options available, depending on the location, size, and severity of the cyst. Symptoms associated with a biliary cyst can vary, with some patients experiencing issues like abdominal pain and tenderness or symptoms such as fever and confusion, if the cyst becomes infected.

Bile, a fluid produced in the liver, plays a role in the digestive process. Two common reasons for a biloma to form include damage to the liver and problems with the bile duct. These deposits can also form after gall bladder removal. The biloma can be identified with the use of ultrasound imaging of the abdomen, in which the deposit of bile will clearly show up in the image. Imaging can be used to assess the biloma to determine whether or not action needs to be taken.

I suppose if you ignore this condition....say by praying for fucking jesus to fix it instead of heading back to a doctor...it could develop into something serious enough to be life threatening. However,

Quote:In some cases, a biloma will resolve on its own, with the body gradually reabsorbing the contents. In other instances, a biloma may require drainage.

Well....whaddaya know? No fucking miracle needed.

In fact, if there was any miracle in this whole bullshit story it is this...

Quote:My ex-wife had some problems in her relationship with me and she left.

Smart move. Who needs a loser like you?
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RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
I'm happy for you that your ex-wife (or perhaps wife if you remarried, I wasn't clear on that from your story) was able to recover and you and she made peace with one another. If nothing else, the story and experiences you and she had contained good life lessons to prioritize what's important in this short life we have.

All that said, even if there was no natural explanation for this event, that doesn't mean we get to fill in the blanks with whatever religion happens to be dominant in our area. Had you lived in a Muslim country, you'd be saying "Allah be praised". If you lived in India, it might be Vishnu you'd credit. Why does the explanation have to be "Jesus"?
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RDK, how about those people who turn to their godboy "praying" for some miracle to cure some family member only for them to die anyway? There are countless more examples of that happening than your so called "miracles". Why did your imaginary friend decide to heal your ex-wife but not them? What makes her so special?

This touches on another reason why religion can be so dangerous. There are plenty of cases where ignorant parents would decide to "pray" to their imaginary fucking god for their child to get better when they have a potentially deadly disease instead of taking the child to a doctor. Unsurprisingly, in the majority of cases, the child dies. Where was your Jesus boy in those cases? In my opinion, the parents in those cases need to be locked up for negligence and third degree murder.

It is really comical to see so many people still clinging to two thousand year old fairy tales instead of seeing the world as it really is. I know humans are far from perfect, but to be delusional and wilfully ignorant (e.g. RDK, Dan) in spite of so much evidence against ass backwards beliefs implies extreme stupidity accompanied by mental illness.

Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
(May 13, 2011 at 1:05 am)RDK Wrote: If people could experience their own personal miracles, there would never again be any dispute with Christians.

Well why does this not happen then?
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You are talking to someone who is naturally inclined to stupidity, whose imbecility has now been irreparably branded into his soul by his "faith" and " vision".
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RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
(May 13, 2011 at 11:09 am)Chuck Wrote: You are talking to someone who is naturally inclined to stupidity, whose imbecility has now been irreparably branded into his soul by his "faith" and " vision".

Hey, he sounds like he knows what he's talking about! Wink
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RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
(May 13, 2011 at 2:11 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:My ex-wife had some problems in her relationship with me and she left.

Smart move. Who needs a loser like you?

Min, really? Could you cut back a little on the vitriol please?

Best regards,
Leo van Miert
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