Iran is a weird fucking place...

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Well some people think that the millions of deaths caused by Nazis (who are followers of atheism) was messed up.

How is that for religious media bullshit. Nazi were not "followers" of atheism.
Look I am tired of the same stereotypical discussion I have with ignorant people. In case you don't know, the phrase "stoning" is not even mentioned in the Quran.

Stoning is such a cliche thing to say, cause people like you are brainwashed by the media and have a hard-on for it.

A. I am not physically capable of having a hard on. B. I am not brainwashed. I have seen videos and photos of people being stoned. I am not, and have not, claimed that it is the norm. It is still atrocious.

It's so convenient to pick and choose nations that are suffering economically because of years of war will have such practices. Most of these people have psychological issues.

I do not disagree with you. I do not pick and choose, though. I am simply watching a documentary about Iraq. It is not specifically about illegal trade.

You know, Congo republic which is a secular nation is known as the world's capital for rape. I wonder if the media has ever made a documentary on this issue.

There are quite a few, in fact. I watch documentaries on the problems in Africa on at least a monthly basis. Again, I am not arguing against Islam. I am arguing against the idea that Islamic nations are more culturally advanced than western nations. Shit, I am not even arguing that western nations are more culturally advanced. You stray off topic as if trying to pin me to something I am not saying.

You can deny all you want, but the fact is that this religion is being attacked more than any other religion.

Not by me.

Just turn on your TV to a news channel and notice how they label psychopath terrorists as Islamic fundamentalist.

Um, sometimes they are Islamic. Why not denounce these people instead of blaming the whole shit show on the media. It is those Islamic terrorists who give Islam a bad name.

Why won't they call Hitler atheist fundamentalist?

Because Hitler was not an atheist. Have you been hanging out with Christians?

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That is completely irrelevant. Not to mention unimportant to me. I am not a Christian.

it's very relevant, because the African's who follow this religion don't have to feel like they are second class. This is one of the reasons why they were treated with more dignity in the middle-east.

[Shell B]

I am not going to comment on your source, until I verify it myself. Most of the statements the author is making is contradicting the history books I read.

For now the point I am making is that it took until after 1900s for human's right to be respected in the west.

That was not the point you were making. You cannot ask me to prove A. and then when I prove it, tell me you were trying to make point B. It doesn't follow.

I'm sorry that you are reading skewed history. I am certain you will be able to verify those undeniable facts with hundreds of legitimate sources.

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Um, sometimes they are Islamic. Why not denounce these people instead of blaming the whole shit show on the media. It is those Islamic terrorists who give Islam a bad name.

Denounce????? Countries like Iran were in WAR with the Taliban and those terrorist organization in Afghanistan throughout the 80/90s. Where was the west during that time?

Because Hitler was not an atheist. Have you been hanging out with Christians?

Are you suggesting that Hitler was a christian? You do know Jesus was a JEW.

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it's very relevant, because the African's who follow this religion don't have to feel like they are second class. This is one of the reasons why they were treated with more dignity in the middle-east.

No, it is irrelevant. They were not treated with more respect when they were enslaved. Furthermore, I have seen no proof that what you claim is true. Did you have a civil rights movement where you are from? If so, when did it happen? From what I have read, the Arab slave trade has not stopped completely, whereas it has in the United States. Please do not misunderstand me. I do not defend slavery in any form, anywhere. It is a matter of shame for most of us that it even took place in the United States. I have to point out that I am from a city where slavery was not popular during the slave years and where it was abolished quite early on.

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it's very relevant, because the African's who follow this religion don't have to feel like they are second class. This is one of the reasons why they were treated with more dignity in the middle-east.

No, it is irrelevant. They were not treated with more respect when they were enslaved. Furthermore, I have seen no proof that what you claim is true. Did you have a civil rights movement where you are from? If so, when did it happen? From what I have read, the Arab slave trade has not stopped completely, whereas it has in the United States. Please do not misunderstand me. I do not defend slavery in any form, anywhere. It is a matter of shame for most of us that it even took place in the United States. I have to point out that I am from a city where slavery was not popular during the slave years and where it was abolished quite early on.

What about how the native Indians were treated in North America and Australia? Like I said it wasn't until 1900s when the western nations started to respect the rights of all humans.

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Denounce????? Countries like Iran were in WAR with the Taliban and those terrorist organization in Afghanistan throughout the 80/90s. Where was the west during that time?

Yes, denounce, as in blame those responsible and point out where they are going against their own religion. Where was the Middle East when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? Where were they when the British forced their monarchy down our throats? Where were they during Vietnam? Best of all, where were they during the Korean War? Oh, you don't feel the need to fight our wars for us? Then why the fuck do people expect us to do it for them? Puh-fucking-please.

Are you suggesting that Hitler was a christian? You do know Jesus was a JEW.

Oh, yes, I am very much suggesting that Hitler was a Christian, or, at the very least, that he believed in God. You do know what the belts of all the Nazis said, right? "Got mit uns" Yes, I am fully aware that Jesus was supposedly a Jew. Hitler had no need to be consistent. He was a dictator. Let the bullshit flow.

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What about how the native Indians were treated in North America and Australia? Like I said it wasn't until 1900s when the western nations started to respect the rights of all humans.

It was the same time for Arab nations. I already pointed that out. By the way, I am Native American. I know the history. Again, I am not defending shitty human rights fiascos that have occurred in this country. I am pointing out that your claims of superior civilization are false.

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Yes, denounce, as in blame those responsible and point out where they are going against their own religion. Where was the Middle East when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? 1. Where were they when the British forced their monarchy down our throats? 2. Where were they during Vietnam? Best of all, where were they during the Korean War? Oh, you don't feel the need to fight our wars for us? Then why the fuck do people expect us to do it for them? Puh-fucking-please.

The point I am making is that countries like Iran were going out of their way to put an end to those senseless organization. It's an insult to call those organizations as Islamic and not mention the fact that Iran and other nations have been struggling for years to put an end to it. Media will always point out the most negative perspective when it comes to this religion. The reasons as to why, I mentioned earlier.

1. One of the first country that recognized America's independence was Morocco and they help tremendously to stop the British to attack American merchant ships in their ports. I suggest you read more about America's history.

2. Vietnam was a senseless war based on a lie. Which is clearly against the principles of this religion.

Oh, yes, I am very much suggesting that Hitler was a Christian, or, at the very least, that he believed in God. You do know what the belts of all the Nazis said, right? "Got mit uns" Yes, I am fully aware that Jesus was supposedly a Jew. Hitler had no need to be consistent. He was a dictator. Let the bullshit flow.

His behavior resembled that of an atheist... that is, he didn't really believe in God. What kind of religion would encourage racial cleansing?????

Anyone can write statements to praise God while having a second agenda. Look at the federal reserve with the notes they issue writing the statement "In God we trust". When in fact what they are doing is completely against God's will.

It was the same time for Arab nations. I already pointed that out. By the way, I am Native American. I know the history. Again, I am not defending shitty human rights fiascos that have occurred in this country. I am pointing out that your claims of superior civilization are false.

Look I'm not going to sit here and defend the Arab nations as a better culture. Because they too had a lot of problems mainly cause they have been living in tyranny for the last several centuries. These countries are being ruled by dictators who are abusing their own people.

But there are other countries like Iran who fully respected human rights for the last 3-4 millenniums, while nations in the west just recently catch up in this department.

[Minimalist]

Are you suggesting that Hitler was a christian?

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

You do know Jesus was a JEW.

Only on his mother's side!"

-- Archie Bunker, c 1971

[Shell B]

The point I am making is that countries like Iran were going out of their way to put an end to those senseless organization. It's an insult to call those organizations as Islamic and not mention the fact that Iran and other nations have been struggling for years to put an end to it. Media will always point out the most negative perspective when it comes to this religion. The reasons as to why, I mentioned earlier.

It is not an insult to claim the Middle East is more advanced than the west? You sure can dish it out . . .

1. One of the first country that recognized America's independence was Morocco and they help tremendously to stop the British to attack American merchant ships in their ports. I suggest you read more about America's history.

That was not during the American Revolution. I suggest you read more. Furthermore, Moroccans were also the first to attack U.S. merchant ships. I'm pretty sure they were not protecting U.S. ships so much as abiding by a treaty. I could be wrong, though. I have not researched the Barbary Wars to any great degree. I can assure you, though, this did not happen during the American Revolution. France protected colonial merchants at that time.

2. Vietnam was a senseless war based on a lie. Which is clearly against the principles of this religion.

That is really a partial truth. Did you know that the Vietnamese were slaves for at least decades, possibly centuries (You google it for me. ), before we showed up? There was a reason to fight, people just always choose the wrong one.

His behavior resembled that of an atheist... that is, he didn't really believe in God. What kind of religion would encourage racial cleansing?????

Christianity. You know Jews and Christians hated each other for a very long time. What makes you think atheists, as a group (there really is no group, just hypothetically), encourage ethnic cleansing? You have been conversing with me for hours. Do I give you the impression that I would encourage such a thing?

Anyone can write statements to praise God while having a second agenda.

That is a very astute statement.

Look at the federal reserve with the notes they issue writing the statement "In God we trust". When in fact what they are doing is completely against God's will.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Look I'm not going to sit here and defend the Arab nations as a better culture.

Wait, wasn't that your original position? Why the fuck have we been carrying on if you agree with me?

Because they too had a lot of problems mainly cause they have been living in tyranny for the last several centuries. These countries are being ruled by dictators who are abusing their own people.

I know. It is horrible.

But there are other countries like Iran who fully respected human rights for the last 3-4 millennium, while nations in the west just recently catch up in this department.

I don't know much about Iran, but there has never been a country that fully respected human rights, whatever those are.