Why the Bible is true

[ThomM]

A bunch of lame claims of prophecy and biblical accuracy. "They shall look upon him whom they have pierced" does not necessarily describe a crucifixion. Sounds more like someone being stabbed.

And what about all of Jesus' failed prophecies of the end of the world and returning in his listeners' lifetimes? What about the fact that the messiah was supposed to be a military leader with an earthly kingdom, which Jesus never was? What about "he shall be called Immanuel" which Jesus never was in the New Testament?

Prove your statements.

Matthew 16:28 - Luke 9:27 - Mark 9:1 all say that there will be some who will not die before they SEE the kingdom of god in its power. THERE is not a single person from that time alive - NONE - and there has never been another coming of the christ - if there ever was a first one.

Isiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

THERE is not a place in the bible where the christ is referred to in that manner. WE have NO proof he ever lived as well.


The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

In fact - the Temple of Jerusalem had not yet been destroyed the second time - at the supposed time of the christ - who therefore based on the bible could NOT actually have been the messiah

Of course - the big problem is that the prophecy that the Messiah was to be HUMAN - and will unite the entire world under the jewish religion - points to the problem with xtianity - which is NOT the jewish religion.

[Minimalist]

Oh, no Thom. You see, these douchebags maintain that this bible bullshit says whatever they want it to say in spite of the way professionals translate it.

I'm sure G-C has a doctorate of divinity from Trailer Park U. in Sewage Pipe, Mississippi that tells him he is an "expert." I bet he paid $25 whole dollars for it on the internet like this one.

http://www.cluonline.com/doctor_of_divin...online.htm

[Godscreated]

Prove your statements.

Matthew 16:28 - Luke 9:27 - Mark 9:1 all say that there will be some who will not die before they SEE the kingdom of god in its power. THERE is not a single person from that time alive - NONE - and there has never been another coming of the christ - if there ever was a first one.

Isiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

THERE is not a place in the bible where the christ is referred to in that manner. WE have NO proof he ever lived as well.


The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

In fact - the Temple of Jerusalem had not yet been destroyed the second time - at the supposed time of the christ - who therefore based on the bible could NOT actually have been the messiah

Of course - the big problem is that the prophecy that the Messiah was to be HUMAN - and will unite the entire world under the jewish religion - points to the problem with xtianity - which is NOT the jewish religion.

Your first and greatest mistake is believing that God is a Jewish religion, God promised Abraham that through him the world would be redeemed. Well the last time I checked the Jewish people do not constitute the whole world. God never intended for the Jewish people to be the only ones to receive Him as there God, never. The prophecies you are referring to are mostly end time prophecy.

Let's address (B) first, the nation of Israel is the only nation to be re-established after a 2000 year exile. Prophecy fulfilled.
Now we'll look at (A) This is an end time prophecy, this is about the New Jerusalem. One yet to be fulfilled.
Okay now © Again an end time prophecy. To be fulfilled soon.
Now (D) Well once again you want to use an end time prophecy, one yet to be fulfilled, as ammunition against something Christ did not fulfill. It's coming and may be sooner than you think.
Yes Christ was descended through king David, the genealogy follows through both Mary and Joseph his earthly guardian. Genesis 49:10 has nothing to do with Christ being descended from king David. This is the prophecy that bothers any Jewish person that know the scriptures. The Messiah was to come before the people of Israel were scattered from Israel all over the world. The nation of Israel was to be redeemed before a complete destruction of Israel took place. The problem the Jewish people have is they did not accept and or recognize God's Messiah when He came just before the destruction of Israel as a nation.
Jesus taught that He did not come to destroy the Law, He came to fulfill it. Jesus said the Law will last forever, that is those things He did not fulfill in His earthly ministry. Read the rest of Zechariah 14 not just the one verse you gave, you will see that only the Festival of Shelters will need to be observed in the New Jerusalem, why, because it's the celebration of thanksgiving. The thanksgiving celebration will be about those who were redeemed by grace through Christ and this will be done for eternity. See John 4:34-38, Jesus spoke these words. Why not the other things that are in the Law, Christ fulfilled them, He came and completed (fulfilled) those parts of the Law.
What does the temple not being destroyed before Christ's death and resurrection have to do with Him not being the Messiah, that's not scriptural. Are you confusing the earthly temple with Christ who was and is the temple. Christ was raised to life and He (the temple) was restored.
Now for the first three verses you gave, they refer to the church, the church is the people of God and His kingdom is the people, no people no kingdom. They were literally several thousand within days of Christ's ascension. Yes we are told of thousands of believers, long before the disciples died. Those verses have nothing to do with the second coming of Christ.
Then the Isaiah verse you gave of Immanuel, the name means God with us and He was, He walked the earth and taught for three short years, and no other religion has a leader that taught for such a short time and became a world dominating religion.

GC

[Ryantology]

Let's address (B) first, the nation of Israel is the only nation to be re-established after a 2000 year exile. Prophecy fulfilled.

It was re-established by outside powers run by people who believed in the prophecy, thus making it self-fulfilling. A joke, in other words.

Now we'll look at (A) This is an end time prophecy, this is about the New Jerusalem. One yet to be fulfilled.
Okay now © Again an end time prophecy. To be fulfilled soon.
Now (D) Well once again you want to use an end time prophecy, one yet to be fulfilled, as ammunition against something Christ did not fulfill. It's coming and may be sooner than you think.

The End Times are 2000 years late. "Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."

The whole sham should have fallen apart when that deadline passed, but that's the power of self-delusion for you.

[Beta Ray Bill]

People have been "predicting" the return of Jesus for 2000 years. If you go back to the dark ages, you'll hear the same shit we hear today. The predictions have been wrong thousands of times. Why should they be any more believable now?

Stop wasting your time, xtians.

[ThomM]

Oh, no Thom. You see, these douchebags maintain that this bible bullshit says whatever they want it to say in spite of the way professionals translate it.

I'm sure G-C has a doctorate of divinity from Trailer Park U. in Sewage Pipe, Mississippi that tells him he is an "expert." I bet he paid $25 whole dollars for it on the internet like this one.

http://www.cluonline.com/doctor_of_divin...online.htm

Actually - I spent two years in a seminary - was raised to be a Priest - had three Uncles who were Catholic Priests - and UNLIKE most of them - have actually read the bible - completely. (I memorized large portions of it as well)

But - early on I realized that the bible was largely a collection of fictional stories - exaggerations - and even laughable nonsense

WHY

Because the nuns who taught at the schools I went to TOLD me that - when they disagreed among themselves. I would go to one class and be told that the bible is completely inerrant - and to another where the nun pretty laughed that off - and would say things like "YOU really don't accept that - do you? YOU are smarter than that!"

In this particular case - the person asking for PROOF - simply does not know his own bible and what is in it. So when I quote the actual passages that support the statements - I simply point that out.

By the way - studies have shown that it is the NON-Believers who know more about the bible and the religions than those that still believe.

When I am asked by people - who want to make a decision about religion - I simply say - READ the bible - the whole bible - Front to back. Don't miss a word. If after you have read the bible - you can actually justify believing that it is completely coherent, logical - and TRUE - by all means get mental help.

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People have been "predicting" the return of Jesus for 2000 years. If you go back to the dark ages, you'll hear the same shit we hear today. The predictions have been wrong thousands of times. Why should they be any more believable now?

Stop wasting your time, xtians.

Actually - it has been FAR LONGER than that - that they have predicted the coming of the "Messiah" - at least a thousand years longer.

The problem is that the prophecies of the messiah do not add up to the Christ myth to begin with. AMong other things - the messiah was to unite ALL the people of the world under the JEWISH religion - have all who were not Jewish admit they were wrong - and usher in a thousand years of peace - among other things. The messiah was to be a MAN - (Not a god) - of the male lineage of David (IF david ever lived - and that is not certain).

If the messiah is coming to bring everyone under the Jewish religion - why are there Xtians at all?

[Doubting Thomas]

And the Messiah was to be a military leader who would defeat the Assyrians and have an earthly kingdom, neither of which Jesus ever did. And I also believe that bit about "She will call his name Immanuel" was about the messiah as well, but I don't remember 100%. At any rate, since Jesus was never called that we can conclude that passage was not about him.

[hobie]

Well I wouldn't believe it if there weren't evidence for it. At least that's what my psychic says to do.

Oh and I love how in his answer, Zacharias claims that one scholar says that the New Testament is 99.6% accurate. If it's the word of God, shouldn't it be 100.00% accurate?

Creationist say abiogenesis is without basis because no one was around to observe it as it happened. Who exactly was around to observe the events in the bible as it happened so as to confirm what was written down was 99.6% accurate?

I love the traps the buffoons set for themselves.

Read this Biblical passage for the answer.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/job/38.htm

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Creationist say abiogenesis is without basis because no one was around to observe it as it happened. Who exactly was around to observe the events in the bible as it happened so as to confirm what was written down was 99.6% accurate?

I love the traps the buffoons set for themselves.

Read this Biblical passage for the answer.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/job/38.htm

Clarify. Generally speaking, simply quoting obscure passages from a book none of us take seriously isn't really what we would label as answering our questions...

[Whateverist]

Yeah, I'm bible intolerant. Try to say it in your won words, it's good for you.

Assuming that you mean to say God was there to see it .. that is just hearsay unless you can produce the witness and I have a chance to cross examine.