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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 12:35 am
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"Have you ever heard of the Idea that everything in heaven would be like that first time you saw something amazing. Only that you relive that feeling over and over again. I fine it funny that you can come to grips with being nothing for a eternity and not being with God for eternity. Who would really trade the latter for the first?"
The former makes sense on all levels beyond our imaginations. I like that quite a lot. Imagination is for sex, not wasted time worrying about what happens after we die.
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 12:41 am
(June 8, 2011 at 12:34 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 12:28 am)Eternity Wrote: Have you ever heard of the Idea that everything in heaven would be like that first time you saw something amazing. Only that you relive that feeling over and over again. I fine it funny that you can come to grips with being nothing for a eternity and not being with God for eternity. Who would really trade the latter for the first?
Also heaven is beyond your imagination. It isn't like the world where you play a game and after while you get bored. There is no boredom. Therefore you wouldn't have anything to worry about.
See this once again is the arrogance of religious people.
You can't possibly know ANY of those supposed attributes of heaven. Most of that isn't even in the Bible (I doubt it's in the Quran) and even if it was it's all been prefabricated by men.
I understand that you have to believe in that stuff, but I do not and I think anyone who does, puts FAR too much weight in the words of his or her religious leader.
Oh and when you use the word god, I know you're referring to your god and I've read all about your god ... I don't want to be anywhere near that blood thirsty, bigoted asshole for an eternity.
Attributes? You mean how it's "beyond our Imagination"? The stuff in heaven are only similar in name to the stuff in earth. So you can see why it would be hard to imagine it. What you dislike isn't heaven. It's earth with infinite time. That doesn't sound to good.
And in heaven is your Sustenance, as (also) that which ye are promised - Surah Adh-Dhariyat
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 12:52 am
Heaven is immaterial.
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 12:55 am
(June 7, 2011 at 11:33 pm)Eternity Wrote: For atheist and non-afterlife believers alike. How did you come to the terms that death is truly the end all of all? Did you take it lightly? Hard? If you came from a religion to atheism how did feel when you knew that when you die it would be the END?
As a person who believes in a afterlife I can't seem to wrap my head around this idea. Maybe some atheist here can enlighten me on the subject?
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What you believe in would more appropriately be deemed a second life, spiritual life, or afterdeath.
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 12:59 am
I want to add a point to this thread ...
We (non-believers) get this question A LOT from believers. I would go so far as to say it is the #1 question I have been asked in my life since walking away from organized religion. This question has come up SOOOO many times that my ultimate conclusion is this:
Christians are full of shit because they use the argument of morality, right and wrong, good and evil, and all that other garbage as a cover story for the real truth.
And the real truth is - Christians (like the majority of humans) are afraid of death and religion is a giant coping mechanism.
I think everything else is just side dishes, garnish and condiments. The real meat of Christianity is making yourself feel warm and cozy about accepting your own demise.
Bonus: You figured out how to control people and make money off of it, but in the end, you just can't accept the fact that EVERYTHING dies.
Hey kids, let me tell you 'bout heaven ...
"la la la la - have you heard that heaven is full of chocolate cake on golden plates and that every day is like waking up for the first time and everyone is beautiful and no one ever cries and we can hang out with god forever and ever and there's no possible way for me to ever get bored because god fixed my brain and a beautiful angel serves breakfast in bed to you every morning and even makes sure that the bacon is cooked just the way you like it and you can fly and you can have sex with virgins and you can move by thought alone and its just totally awesome awesome, and its going to make all the problems I have now look so insignificant and ...."
How god damn stupid can a person get?
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 1:40 am
(June 8, 2011 at 12:28 am)Eternity Wrote: Have you ever heard of the Idea that everything in heaven would be like that first time you saw something amazing. Only that you relive that feeling over and over again. I fine it funny that you can come to grips with being nothing for a eternity and not being with God for eternity. Who would really trade the latter for the first?
It seems to me that you have not gotten out of the cradle yet .....these notions are very infantile
(June 8, 2011 at 12:28 am)Eternity Wrote: Also heaven is beyond your imagination. It isn't like the world where you play a game and after while you get bored. There is no boredom. Therefore you wouldn't have anything to worry about.
"Play games? Not worry about anything?" You appear to want to revert to your infancy E...like most religious people .... you are yet to reach maturity???
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 5:41 am
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I died allong time ago, came back from the dead and now live every day as if it was the last.
Death has never bothered me, seen 9 family/friends die from natural and unnatural causes, found 3 dead bodys. My sister blew a cat apart with fireworks, and threw our hampster into a ceiling fan.
Seen allot of stuff, but when I do die hopefully people's will remember me, thats all I want. Don't care much about how, when or why.
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 6:36 am
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Quote: I fine it funny that you can come to grips with being nothing for a eternity and not being with God for eternity. Who would really trade the latter for the first?
For me, I am not trading one reality over another. I'm not opting for oblivion over afterlife. I am in the sole interest of what's real and true. Not what I want to be true.
I want to see reality for what it is, no matter how bad it may be or hopeless. I do like the idea of living on, not forever but considerably longer than the lifespan that I currently have. This I know is wishful thinking. I don't lust for an afterlife, but an extremely long life right here.
We don't get to choose our own reality, we can imagine our own and pretend it's real but never can it become actual reality.
We all will have to face reality one way or another. You can spend every hour believing and praying for an afterlife and by the end, still end up in oblivion.
I'm not choosing oblivion over afterlife, I'm only interested in what's real.
Quote:Also heaven is beyond your imagination. It isn't like the world where you play a game and after while you get bored. There is no boredom. Therefore you wouldn't have anything to worry about.
It's fun making up stuff isn't it? Believing it to be true gives you a sense of false security but makes you feel comfortable. To believe that your going to your own made up place when your long dead.
Hey, I can make up stuff too. When I die, I'll fly off to The Shire in Middle Earth where I'll spend hundreds of years in peace.
It's great how you can make up your own reality like that. Such a shame that so many fail to see it for what it really is. Wishful thinking, false beliefs.
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 6:51 am
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(June 8, 2011 at 12:28 am)Eternity Wrote: Have you ever heard of the Idea that everything in heaven would be like that first time you saw something amazing. Only that you relive that feeling over and over again.
So we get to spend the rest of eternity as goldfish in a giant celestial fishbowl, that could work.
Quote: I fine it funny that you can come to grips with being nothing for a eternity and not being with God for eternity. Who would really trade the latter for the first?
God is fictional, remember? It's not something we can trade. And an eternity of nothingness is not something you get to actually experience. There is no you to experience it in the first place.
Quote:Also heaven is beyond your imagination. It isn't like the world where you play a game and after while you get bored. There is no boredom. Therefore you wouldn't have anything to worry about.
And you know this for a fact because.........
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RE: How did you come to terms with Death?
June 8, 2011 at 7:37 am
This life is my Heaven. It's not perfect, but it is marvelous and wonderful. I don't want to die, but I have to. It's the only obligation we've got when we are born. Nothing in me is eternal, only the energy I carry, which eventually will form new things. I do not long for an immortal life, all I want is to enjoy this one I've got for as long as I can and as pain free as I can. I cherish my friends and family now, make sure that all arguments we have are solved as fast as possible, so that when they die I won't regret anything.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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