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Poll: Heaven vs. Hell
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Gotta be more souls in Hell.
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Probably more souls in Heaven.
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Idiot! Heaven and Hell are fabrications of the fearful human mind!
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Heaven vs. Hell vs. God's Address
#31
RE: Heaven vs. Hell vs. God's Address
@DP- That would be Sheol, not Ghenna
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#32
RE: Heaven vs. Hell vs. God's Address
(June 16, 2011 at 9:16 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: to the best of my knowledge, the Bible says little about what happened to those who died before Jesus died on the cross (aside from Matthew's brief comment about the dead saint zombies). Clearly, the NT regards some of those who came before Jesus were "righteous". During Jesus' transfiguration he was seen with Elijah and Moses. So evidently, some where considered righteous before Jesus.

The common school of thought I've heard is that when Jesus died on the cross but before he rose again, he went to Hell and freed all the souls that he chose to save.

I've never gotten a very good answer to this question either (Most of the time I've gotten no answer). However, what I have been told is that those people who lived before the birth of Christ had "the sacrifices". In other words they were able to achieve the necessary blood atonement by performing regular blood sacrifices. Which of course is a common theme in the OT.

Now that theory could possibly hold water if it weren't for one glaring problem. Many people around the globe weren't practicing Judaism. While this theory may have protected the Jewish people, it seems that it would leave most everyone else out in the cold, so to speak. It stands to reason that most Asians for example, didn't know the god, Yahweh, and therefore weren't making the appropriate sacrifices to achieve atonement. Which also leads me to another question - Is any blood sacrifice acceptable even if made to a god with the wrong name. If the ancient Mayans sacrificed a young virgin to a volcano - would that count as an acceptable sacrifice since there was no possible way for them to even know of ancient Jewish law, let alone the god they were supposed to be sacrificing to?

Also if Jesus rescued everyone from Hell as the theory you mentioned proposes, than why cast anyone into hell in the first place?
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#33
RE: Heaven vs. Hell vs. God's Address
(June 17, 2011 at 2:42 am)Cinjin Wrote: Also if Jesus rescued everyone from Hell as the theory you mentioned proposes, than why cast anyone into hell in the first place?

Because Yahweh hadn't yet sacrificed himself to himself. Duuuuhhhhh!

I mean, how could he have convinced himself not to throw people into Hell if he hadn't gotten around to sending himself down to earth to bleed on a cross to sacrifice himself to himself to appease his own wrath? He can't forgive anything unless something dies first. That's the rule. ...that he can't change.
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