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Am I an Agnostic?
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I think so. I'm a Gnostic atheist, though. I'm positive that there's not a god. There is a plausible explanation to the creation of the universe; we just don't know it yet.
Trudging through endless religion one step at a time.
 (July 3, 2011 at 7:48 pm)Nitsuj Wrote: I think so. I'm a Gnostic atheist, though. I'm positive that there's not a god. There is a plausible explanation to the creation of the universe; we just don't know it yet. In my humble opinion, being positive that there is no God is just as insane as being positive there is one. RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 8:14 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2011 at 9:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Assuming that most of us are products of western civilization...when we say "god"..we mean a very specific god. A judeo-christian god. It is not, in this case, "insane" to know that the god in question is a fabrication, considering the vast amounts of information freely available to anyone who wishes to understand where and how this particular concept of god arose. If this god wished to remain mysterious, an unknown, he should not have left us such a hefty paper trail.
Proposing the idea of an indescribable or unknowable god is not equal to proposing the idea of the christian (or any other variant) god. This is exactly what I'm referring to when I make the statement that the theist would like to assume the deist's armor. The trouble is that he simply cannot do this while remaining faithful to any one of the many concepts of god.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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July 3, 2011 at 9:12 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2011 at 9:17 pm by BethK.)
My fist answer would be that you re an atheist.
From the word "theist" comes from Greek "theos" - god + ist (noun form - "one who is/does"). Theists believe in God or gods. One definition for theist is that of a revealed monotheism. The a- prefix is a negation so an atheist is one who does not believe in a god or gods, or fails to believe in any gods. If you do not BELIEVE in gods, God, supreme being, supernatural creator, you are an atheist. The word agnostic is the a- prefix meaning negation on -gnostic, from "gnosis" - "knowledge". With the negating a- prefix, an agnostic is "one who does not know" or "one who lacks knowledge". An infant, or someone who was never taught of the concept of deities, higher powers, supernatural causes, would LACK such knowledge. Another subset of agnostic is one who thinks or believes that the existence or nonexistence of God, supreme beings, higher powers, is by its very nature unknowable. Or, another way to be agnostic is to say "The data is not yet in, so I cannot say for sure one way or another." That is well and good, but that's not a matter of belief. Such a person lacks belief in any deity, so is an atheist. If they say "All the data is not yet in", they are just keeping an open mind if somehow, some sort of irrefutable evidence comes to pass that shows the existence of a god or gods. If such knowledge came into existence somehow, there would be no theists or atheists - there would be the FACT of God, which would be as indisputable as the sun rising in the east or grass being green. Belief would not enter into it. Or, simply put, agnosticism is about knowledge. Atheism is about belief. They are two separate questions. Some people say they are "agnostic" when they don't want to tell people of faith that they are unbelievers in their pet invisible man. Or, they are fence-sitters, who don't want to say one way or another. In my book, these fence sitters, who lack belief, are soft atheists. A deitst, is someone who believes in a supernatural being (god) who created the universe, set things in motion, then left, died, or completely took a "hands off" approach and stopped paying attention. This gets around the "Who created all this?" question that some theists use to show that later things such as evolution could not exist. A deist believes that this creator-god has left the universe on its own, so there is no one to pray to, care for you or anyone or anything else, no afterlife, no salvation. They are in fact, atheists who believe in a divine creator. Beth
The opposite being the "Hard Atheist", a type of fetish porn, where well endowed german men thrust towards the camera while quoting Nietzsche.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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July 3, 2011 at 10:25 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2011 at 10:27 pm by Violet.)
This whole time I thought you were a jellyfish. Still do
 (July 3, 2011 at 5:51 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Frodo in with his signature..."The christian god, except where I disagree with the dogma". I love fr0d0 ^_^ He doesn't make sense to you? I suppose neither do I 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
Your general incoherence is easier to handle than his willful ignorance. Watching him contort the concept of the christian god to suit his own wishes physically makes my joints ache.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(July 3, 2011 at 10:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Your general incoherence is easier to handle than his willful ignorance. Watching him contort the concept of the christian god to suit his own wishes physically makes my joints ache. On the contrary... I am quite coherent and more to the point: rather sane. Fr0d0 also is not willfully ignorant, but unwillingly knowledgable. He shows great restraint here  Contortion is good... ever bee with a contortionist? All concepts are individual. As are all wishes. Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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