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Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 1:51 pm
I don't believe in any gods, have not for years, but a small part of me
always allowed that there may be some force unknown to us for creating the universe. It's hard to believe that the universe can come out of nothing, can't wrap my head around that, but I want to stress, i just don't know. Am I an Agnostic or an Athiest? i always considered myself to be an Atheist.
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 2:09 pm
caution against the phrase "I can't believe something can come out of nothing". It's an argument from ignorance.
"I can't explain it...ergo god"
Nothing wrong with being an agnostic, or whatever you want to be, just don't let that be the reason..lol.
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm
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Yup..sounds agnostic to me.
For the record, most atheists are also agnostic.
So that makes you an agnostic atheist.
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm
You can be agnostic and an atheist at the same time.
I think that both theists and atheists are agnostics, because we don't *know* whether God exists or not, as agnosticism deals with knowledge. Some people just believe in Him while others don't.
Also, I think it depends on what you think about that "unknown force" that created the universe:
If you believe that it was (possibly) God, but you don't believe in religion, then you're a deist. If you believe that it was a just a mindless, natural force - or something like energy and matter - then you're an atheist.
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 2:29 pm
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Wouldn't positing the existence of a creator god immediately land one into theist territory? By supposing the creator god concept, aren't you ruling out all the gods man has proposed that weren't creator gods? Agnostic theist?..lol.
Not arguing btw, just musing. The "I dont know" part does land you firmly in agnostic territory.
For the record, The universe didn't come out of nothing, that's the theists parody of the scientific position on the matter. Obviously a very successful campaign of ignorance..since we hear it so often.
The universe came out of "we don't know"....that last part is key. The theists "know"....we...do not.
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 2:33 pm
(July 3, 2011 at 2:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: caution against the phrase "I can't believe something can come out of nothing". It's an argument from ignorance.
"I can't explain it...ergo god"
Nothing wrong with being an agnostic, or whatever you want to be, just don't let that be the reason..lol.
Yeah, but you don't know for sure either. How can an Atheist say for sure? I think that is a valid question
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 2:37 pm
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Subtle difference, my argument isnt "I cant explain the origins of the universe, ergo no god"
I have a different position than many on the forums btw..and don't let my militantly aggressive stance on the subject taint your opinion of any other poster..lol.
I am sorry if I offend any deists, or agnostic atheists in this regard, I truly am. I'm just tired of watching theists assume the deists armor, or deists politely propping up the theists argument. When theists are finally done ridding the world of atheists, guess who's next on the wall?
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 5:48 pm
When Deists kiss atheists asses like toilet paper has run out forever that's them sucking up to theists is it?
Theists can take the same line as non theists on material origins. That doesn't address 'God'. 2 fails 
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Frodo in with his signature..."The christian god, except where I disagree with the dogma".
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RE: Am I an Agnostic?
July 3, 2011 at 5:55 pm
I'm just not sure, Manowar.
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