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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 9:27 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2011 at 9:32 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The iron chariots reference has always been my favorite. Superman had kryptonite, God..iron, or maybe it was the chariot, or maybe god is allergic to wheels. One of the more amusing things about that passage, is that many.....many "scholars" have attempted to translate it completely out of the OT.
New International Version
Judges 1:19
The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots.
Young's Literal Translation
Judges 1:19
and Jehovah is with Judah, and he occupieth the hill-country, but not to dispossess the inhabitants of the valley, for they
have chariots of iron.
One can see how a single word, added, removed, or altered in it's tense can have a huge impact on the overall statement. In this case, the NIV is engaging in an obvious whitewash, since the verse is speaking in the singular, not the plural, and is referencing god, not Judah, or his troops. This is only one example of bible "scholars" deliberately removing or altering controversial verses to defend the narrative from criticism. Even in the case of the NIV translation, we are left wondering why the chariots would have been a problem, if the lord was with Judah and his men. There are many verses that make clear, in no uncertain terms, that when the lord is with an army it cannot fail, and when the lord is not, it surely must.
Perhaps GC has a different opinion on this.
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 9:54 am
(July 9, 2011 at 1:08 am)Godschild Wrote: I believe I've answered this for you before, if not here goes. If you did believe in God would you want Him to make you behave as a robot doing only what He tells you to do and giving you no freedom to make your own decisions...
If it meant living with no evil, sign me up.
Godschild Wrote:...Man would have demanded freewill if God had not give it at the start,
And why would god have to bend to any demands that humans make?
Godschild Wrote:...freewill came with a debt and ultimately God himself paid the price for that debt because we were unable to, now that is true love.
WTF?
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 9:57 am
(July 8, 2011 at 7:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: You have joined him and will pay the price unless... well you know, want preach.
Bring.
It.
On.
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 10:54 am
Quote:freewill came with a debt and ultimately God himself paid the price for that debt because we were unable to, now that is true love.
How can there be any fucking debt? God's the one who created everything, he's all powerful. This makes absolutely no sense at all! So who's the price maker? Also, how did god pay off the so-called debt?
Makes no sense at all. Not one lick of sense.
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 10:56 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2011 at 10:57 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Doesn't have to make sense, only make do. That's the point isn't it? Stands in for actual knowledge/ethics/history/whatever.
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 1:18 pm
(July 9, 2011 at 9:54 am)FaithNoMore Wrote: Godschild Wrote:...freewill came with a debt and ultimately God himself paid the price for that debt because we were unable to, now that is true love.
WTF?
I believe what FNM's response is trying to convey is: What the FUCK kind of a gift is freewill if it comes with a giant fiery string attached?!?!
Answer: It's not a GIFT at all. It's a pathetic excuse to punish people who choose not to love something they cannot see, feel or touch. Your god is an AASSSSHOLE!!!
Right On FNM ....... What The Fuck?! How do you NOT see this GC? Your god has sent 90 some odd billion people to hell. Yeah, keep trying to sell that "sweet true love". Ri-goddamn-diculous!
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Reminds me of the question often asked of the battered spouse.
"I love you....why do you make me do this to you?"
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2011 at 1:45 am by bbrettle.)
this .... jesus = freewill thing.... is nothing more than people from the united states making jesus/god seem like a choice...
if god is real he is an abusive, "favoritive" jerk
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Lear...202002.htm
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 6:22 pm
(July 9, 2011 at 4:24 pm)bbrettle Wrote: this .... jesus = freewill thing.... is nothing more than people from the united states making jesus/god seem like a choice...
if god is real he an abusive, favoritive jerk
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Lear...202002.htm
Seven on one I got ya just where I want you. When I get a little time I'll answer your comments.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: What does God deserve?
July 9, 2011 at 7:24 pm
(July 9, 2011 at 6:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: Seven on one I got ya just where I want you. When I get a little time I'll answer your comments.
lol ...
no, you won't ... but you'll certainly believe you did.
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