What does God deserve?

[reverendjeremiah]

To forget is to forgive. In the name of benevolence and kindness, who or what sets the standard for these, if there is no true standard then they are just concepts and if they are concepts then their definitions only depend on each individual. Maybe that's why there is a lack of integrity in the world today, no one wants an absolute standard to anything, it's like do what feels right to you and screw everything/body else. Today, it's do not apply your standard to me, I have the one that works best for me, you do as you desire and I'll do as I desire and to hell with the rest of the world. That is a lousy way for people to think and live but they do and yes I'll include some christians in that. Without a true standard this is the world we have and it will get much worse.

Hell, this is the best post you have made to me since..ever. I agree that to forget is also in a sense to forgive, but forgiveness doesnt require forgetting. I also agree that there is very little, if any, universal standard for such things. I will say that benevolence is goodwill, charity, and kindness. Sure, morals are merely personal opinions, which is why I said that I BELEIVE in benevolence. My personal opinion is that benevolence benefits society. Benevolence doesnt use "grey words" like "good". Charity can be measured. Personally, I think your standard of morality is heavily weighed down in myths and , quite frankly, bullshit.

Its one thing to say "Jesus cured the sick". To me I would be like; "Hey, Jesus is an alright guy". Then I read the book and it says he cured the sick using spit. An obvious lie.

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Almost sounds like you agree with the Bible except you have no standard for benevolence. I agree with what you state except I would leave out in the name of benevolence.

hmmm..maybe I was laying it on thick. Perhaps I should have said "kindness for the sake of kindness"

My biggest thing now is greed vs. charity.. both can be physically measured and their effects are notable

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That however is not very likely to happen, But the emphasis is on YOU( person making the claim) To prove it. Until then please keep the condescension to a minimum.

Regards.
The Big Fudge

umm..is that smiley face avatar drawn with doo doo?

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From a deist point of view what is the standard for benevolence?

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I don't understand your question. Can you rephrase?

I turn the question back around to GC, what is YOUR standard for benevolence? Jesus? The man who cured people not for the sake of kindness, but to get people to worship him? Who insisted that his folowers abandon their family? Who performs a few miracle healings and then ties strings to his acts of kindess that everyone should worship him or he will toss them into eternal flaming torture?

That isnt benevolence. That would be the same thing as a Christian offering me help to fix my flat tire, but only if I say that I love Jesus. That isnt charity. Charity has no strings attached. Jesus tied CABLES to his charity work, and loaded them down with bricks of guilt and shame upon those who truly needed it. The story of Jesus flat out SUCKS as a standard for charity.

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Its the same as forgiveness. Forgiveness has no strings attached to it and it is given as a gift.

If your god and Jesus actually want to forgive people, then they would do it with no strings attached. But they dont do they? They add on a list of demands one must meet to gain this forgiveness, and they arent pety. Devoting your entire life to these gods, living your life the way they want you to, etc..etc... and what you are supposed to be forgiven for is quite ludicrous considering that fact that said gods supposedly created everything.

I see no charity or forgivness in the bible... I see a man who cuts you, talks down to you because you are bleeding, and then demands that you worship him and devote your entire life to him in order for him to give you a bandaid.

[Pel]

Reverendjeremiah, I like your last post a lot. The monotheistic God to me is the devil. Or the monotheistic and all revealed religions were someone else does thinking for you is inspired by the devil.

Thanks

[The Grand Nudger]

Inspired by the devil? Seriously wtf?

[reverendjeremiah]

Inspired by the devil? Seriously wtf?

Im sure he meant for the context to be that the bible God seems more like a devil than the very devil in their mythology.

[Judas BentHer]

To address the question in the OP. "What does god deserve?"
(No matter which god or goddess one cares to refer to with the question)

Atheists!

[Anymouse]

To forget is to forgive. In the name of benevolence and kindness, who or what sets the standard for these, if there is no true standard then they are just concepts and if they are concepts then their definitions only depend on each individual. Maybe that's why there is a lack of integrity in the world today, no one wants an absolute standard to anything, it's like do what feels right to you and screw everything/body else. Today, it's do not apply your standard to me, I have the one that works best for me, you do as you desire and I'll do as I desire and to hell with the rest of the world. That is a lousy way for people to think and live but they do and yes I'll include some christians in that. Without a true standard this is the world we have and it will get much worse.

I would prefer we set our own standards. I give much greater respect to another who is moral and decent and kind because they want to be, rather than because a book told them to be or they will be punished. It is much more sincere.

And even Christendom, with all its members, cannot even agree on which version of the Bible is the correct "standard" to use, and none of them interprets that standard the same way. I much prefer a person who follows a standard of ethics or morals derived from within rather than one set down in Leviticus or Philemon.

James.

[Godscreated]

I would prefer we set our own standards. I give much greater respect to another who is moral and decent and kind because they want to be, rather than because a book told them to be or they will be punished. It is much more sincere.

And even Christendom, with all its members, cannot even agree on which version of the Bible is the correct "standard" to use, and none of them interprets that standard the same way. I much prefer a person who follows a standard of ethics or morals derived from within rather than one set down in Leviticus or Philemon.

James.

Without a standard for moral and decent who is to say who or what is moral and decent and how would you know that a person that acts moral and decent by their own standard does not have another agenda for their goal that is outside their so called standard.

[Pel]

Inspired by the devil? Seriously wtf?

Im sure he meant for the context to be that the bible God seems more like a devil than the very devil in their mythology.

Look, I have personal beliefs and they are that there is a God and that there are evil spiritual beings. I am a deist, similar to those English deists who believed in more than most of todays deists who are a bit more sceptical. So I called those beings/ being the devil.

I actually believe that the revealed religions have a litle bit of inspiration coming from those beings. However maybe its just my schizophrenia that made me believe in those beings. Like I believe that Jesus if he really existed was a schizhophrenic who was right about some things but wrong about many, hence Dawkins t shirt atheist for Jesus.

I understand that my beliefs could be a bit crazy for you but that's what they are at the moment. I believe what I believe.

You can give comments to what I have said and I am more than happy to consider your point of view. If I was to say something else to what I am saying I would be a liar. Either way, atheists are a great bunch because you reject nonsensical, cruel and contradicting scriptures and that makes you a better person.

I totally understand your views. I mean we both reject revealed religions, only I believe in my own beliefs. And the God I believe in loves you as much as he loves me and Gods child and everyone else wich is infinitelly.

I said before and I will say it again as a reminder and that's that I believe in evil spiritual beings because of the dreams that I had while psychotic. I mean I was tormented in my dreams and I would sense the presence of great evil and I interpret those experiences the way they feel.

So if those beings exist than there could be w a God who created them but acording to my logic revealed religions are false. It's all in your intuition,the knowledge of right and wrong.
Now these are my beliefs and if anyone responds to this post I will respectfully consider your arguments if you disagree. Although I find it hard to respect revealed religions.

Thanks

[Anymouse]

[Napoléon]

Epic post James!