An argument against Adam and Eve

[fr0d0]

I don't seem to disagree with you, and we don't need to invoke God.

[The Grand Nudger]

Thank you.

[Godscreated]

You are trying to avoid what scriptures teach, there is a hell, there's no changing that, it is what it is.

I'm not avoiding what the scriptures teach, I am flat-out telling you they are false. The inconsistency of god being love and the concept of hell seems to allude you.

Saying 'it is what it is' gives me great insight into your critical thinking behind your belief system. And by critical thinking I mean lack thereof. You seem unable to justify your position so you just accept it as is.

When I say it is what it is, I mean you can not wish away the truth, you do not want to face the reality of hell so you make up your own nonbelief story.

And you do not want to face the reality of death, so you make up your own belief story.

I like many others have suffered through many deaths of family and friends, I know all to well the reality of death. I also know the reality of hope in Christ.

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When I say it is what it is, I mean you can not wish away the truth, you do not want to face the reality of hell so you make up your own nonbelief story.

Don't you think that if I really didn't want to face the reality of hell that I would be down on my knees praying to your god? Hell is just one in a long line of fairy tales from your bible and is no more real than vampires.

I am, however, beginning to detect a hint of joy within you that relishes the idea of non-believers burning for eternity. You display no sympathy for those you condemn and state with cold, emotionless precision that they will be punished for their lack of belief. Does that help validate your beliefs, or are you just plain sadistic?

No, I do not believe that and this is not because I'm sadistic, you can't prove God or hell isn't real so how is it you seem to be sure they do not exist? I do not relish that there will be people in hell, as a matter of fact I wish no one would end up there, I can not make that choice for others, if I could no one would be going. I do not condemn anyone to hell each person makes the choice for therselves, since the forum rules state no preaching I must abide by them, and no one has PM me for a good dose of preaching, so what am I to do. I do not write things well enough to show emotion most of the time, if I did you would still not find sympathy, you would however find compassion. I do have a christian love for all on this forum,yes even you Min like it or not.

[The Grand Nudger]

You know no such thing. You believe it very strongly. Faith alone friend.

[Godscreated]

You know no such thing. You believe it very strongly. Faith alone friend.

Faith is knowing, it is God revealed if you want it, my friend.

[The Grand Nudger]

Only by redefinition. I get it you're geeked out for religion. Again, you have no such knowledge.

[Faith No More]

Faith is knowing, it is God revealed if you want it, my friend.

If it was knowing then it wouldn't be faith.

[The Grand Nudger]

You can keep your christian love in your pants btw. You want a complicated shadow world, filled with your loved ones, above or below or beside our own, fine, I understand that completely. Now prove it.

[Captain Scarlet]

No, I do not believe that and this is not because I'm sadistic, you can't prove God or hell isn't real so how is it you seem to be sure they do not exist?

I disagree i think we can prove hell isnt real. Hell can not be found anywhere in the whole of reality, no-one has been there nor comeback despite myriads of claimed near death experiences and religious experiences. There are powerful inductive reasons to not believe in hell for exactly the same reason we suspect Narnia was only a place in CS Lewis' mind. On the other hand there are no inductive reasons at all to believe in a hell. Deductively you cannot make a consistent argument for there being a really nice theme park in the sky and a horrid one in the basement. However compliant someone is they do not deserve eternal happiness for finite goodness nor eternal horrors for finite badness, given a god who is both all loving and just. Thus inductively and deductively hell does and cannot exist.

[orogenicman]

You know no such thing. You believe it very strongly. Faith alone friend.

Faith is knowing, it is God revealed if you want it, my friend.

Faith is the belief in something not in evidence. Personal revelation is, by definition, first person in nature. As such, no one is obligated to believe one person's personal revelation over that of anyone else. Farm Bob in Kansas may be an honest, god-fearing man, but we still need evidence that he had a personal conversation with the virgin Mary.