Gun Nuts..A Whole New Spin

[Minimalist]

I was referring to Plaxico Burress who did the exact same thing only he missed his pecker.

Sorry. Sometimes it is tough to keep the idiots sorted out!

[Epimethean]

I wasn't aware of that new law. Excellent news. And full redneck? Well, Alaska and Vermont are the two other States who have the same law already in force, and those aren't redneck States in the least.

Hoplophobics are a riot. Then again, I'd rather anti-gun nuts remain disarmed. It's bad enough the press morons at the trigger get. Anti-gun nuts, if they got their way, would garner the eternal respect of fully armed criminals, for the rest of their short targeted lives that they expect armed people to save, when in peril to criminal gun toting nuts who don't give a damn about gun control laws.

That's why all those countries that disarm their citizens are crime free. Because there are no guns anywhere. No, not at all. Especially not on the hips of British police! No crime there. Nooooo. Because guns are the only weapon in the world. Eliminate those and we're talking Nirvana baby!





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Alaska's not a redneck state? LOL. Have you been there? Gorgeous place in the summer, but not a cultural mecca unless you are an anthropologist studying the effects of totem pole spectating on the consumption of Boon's Farm. Typical gun nut response to letting even wackier nuts carry concealed with no enforced training or licensure, Judas. And using the current situation in England as a justification for carrying firearms is pure rubbish. Guns are weak medicine for a sick population. When I worked as a deputy, I got so sick of dealing with lowlifes whose children had missing teeth, who ate ramen every night washed down with Red Dog, and yet who somehow managed to own a dozen sidearms of all sorts. The UK has managed to avoid going down the simpleton's 2nd Amendment path, and the fact that they have done so in general successfully calls to mind this quote from Oscar Wilde, which is more appropriate than ever:

"America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between."

[Judas BentHer]

Alaska's not a redneck state? LOL. Have you been there? Gorgeous place in the summer, but not a cultural mecca unless you are an anthropologist studying the effects of totem pole spectating on the consumption of Boon's Farm. Typical gun nut response to letting even wackier nuts carry concealed with no enforced training or licensure, Judas.

You're misrepresenting the facts about the Arizona law.

The new law lets individuals obtain permits through means other than the eight-hour training course mandated under the previous law. These other means include any NRA firearms- or safety-training course and a hunter-education course administered by the Arizona Game and Fish Department.



[/quote] And I would posit that yours is a typical angi-gun nut Liberal rhetoric.
You lose credibility when you call people who support the second amendment and the Bill of Rights, gun nuts. But how far does that "nut" crap get us?
Have you been to Alaska? It's rugged, raw living. And if you don't have a gun there living in the wild, outside of the towns and cities, you don't have much of a chance at all. Redneck? In Alaska? LOL You clearly don't know the origin of the word.


As has been stated in this thread repeatedly, and electively ignored as that may be, not everyone who owns firearms are dangerous or idiots at the trigger.
And interestingly enough you present yourself as having been a former Deputy. I'll presume you were armed. So then your platform becomes one of "Us" and "Them". Us, who are the law enforcement entitled to be armed. And them, which is in what you've implied, gun nuts who are everyone else not in your "Us" circle of approved for firearm possession.

Many people errantly believe the 2nd deals only with a "well regulated Militia".

And using the current situation in England as a justification for carrying firearms is pure rubbish. Guns are weak medicine for a sick population.

Do you really believe that? Then I was wrong. You were an unarmed Deputy. Right?
Otherwise, you were the weakling bearing arms, amid a sick population.
That's how you see it, right?
When a disarmed population are sitting ducks for the armed criminals that don't give one whit about gun control laws, or regulations that prohibit their having possession of firearms.
A disarmed population, even cops as in England by law, gives full license to those who do not obey the law, to do as they will amid a civilian populace that can't fight back on equal ground, and aren't even able to be saved by trained professionals in law enforcement, because they enforce the law that disarms the population not even they, who are disarmed too, can protect from armed aggressors.
Shooting fish in a barrel.
That's rubbish, when the fish are there because the law keeps them swimming, while those who have them in their sights, don't give a damn about the law, but do appreciate the convenience of the barrel making it easier to hunt prey.

When I worked as a deputy, I got so sick of dealing with lowlifes whose children had missing teeth, who ate ramen every night washed down with Red Dog, and yet who somehow managed to own a dozen sidearms of all sorts.

You've never been in the mansions of the rich people in my area, who have gun rooms, perfect teeth, drink Cristal champaign, that very often they'll quip is their way of slumming, given the wine cellar that's in their basement.
The stereotype you have as one who prefers people be victims to armed aggression, is tragic. I presume you speak from your experiences, as that story you just told implies.
That's not the whole story and to imagine guns are bad, because there are people that are as irresponsible with them, as there are alcoholics who get behind the wheel of a weapon weighing thousands of pounds and drive at high rates of speed amid an innocent population who doesn't know they're coming. They maim and they kill, and very often that drunk driver walks away without a scratch. And every now and then they don't recall a thing about it once they're sober. I imagine you encountered that as a deputy.
Idiocy, is no reason to disarm a population.
If it is, if that's a causative factor to bury the 2nd inalienable right, then for all the headlines attesting to irresponsible law enforcement officers bearing weapons, be it their service weapon or their police car, it's going to be a long road to seize weapons across the board.

The UK has managed to avoid going down the simpleton's 2nd Amendment path, and the fact that they have done so in general successfully calls to mind this quote from Oscar Wilde, which is more appropriate than ever:

Such a broad sweeping indictment against people who have the right to bear arms. Again, you were a deputy. It's a good thing you're former, given the lack of respect you have for people who have guns, when you were one that, if you were armed, you must have imagined yourself exempt from the insulting rhetoric you direct at everyone else who supports the second amendment.

"These [common law] rights consist, primarily, in the free enjoyment of personal security, of personal liberty and of private property…to vindicate these rights when actually violated or attacked, the subjects of England are entitled, in the first place, to the regular administration and free course of justice in the courts of law; next to the right of petitioning the king and parliament for redress of grievances and lastly, to the right of having and using arms for self preservation and defence."

"Commentaries on the Laws of England"
Lord Justice William Blackstone

[Epimethean]

"The new law lets individuals obtain permits through means other than the eight-hour training course mandated under the previous law. These other means include any NRA firearms- or safety-training course and a hunter-education course administered by the Arizona Game and Fish Department."

Negative. No permits necessary, period.

I have to laugh when you suggest that, due to my distaste for guns, I would not be a good deputy these days. I didn't like them when I carried them. I owe zero respect to people because they own guns. That is typical 2nd Amendment fundie BS, and not much different in its silliness than religious babble. I respect people as people. Gun nuts, who feel the need to collect things designed to kill people, earn no cred from me. If you want to go hunting and need a few specialized rifles, cool. If you live in Alaska and need bear protection and so carry a .357, cool. But if you feel the need to arm yourself just to go out into the working world, sad. For every gun that "saves a life" in the hands of someone who knows how to use it, there are multiple guns that are discovered by children, subsequently ending an innocent life, multiple guns which are turned against owners who do not practice in live fire situations regularly, and multiple incidents such as happened to the character described in the initial link.

[Judas BentHer]

Negative. No permits necessary, period.

Well now let's see. I said you misrepresented the facts about there being no training required. As you did.
And the article you linked is dated 2010 and unless Arizona's Department of Public Safety are lying enablers of your dread "gun nuts", their 2011 website says you are again misrepresenting the facts regarding both permits and training. Regardless of the article you present, and not the officiating website FAQ page itself.





I am considering obtaining an Arizona concealed weapons permit. What do I do?
Review the Arizona concealed carry law, ARS 13-3112 and Arizona Administrative Rules R13-9-101 through R13-9-603. We recommend you also review ARS 13-3101 and Title 18 USC section 922(d & g) for complete eligibility criteria and ARS 13-3102, Misconduct Involving Weapons.


How do I apply for an Arizona CCW permit?
Contact a DPS authorized CCW Training Organization. Complete the 8-hour initial CCW course. The instructor will fill out the certificate of completion located on the CCW application. Ensure you fill out the rest of the application and affix your signature. Send the completed application, a fingerprint card, and the applicable fee to DPS. The instructor should provide a pre-addressed return envelope but if not, mail your materials to: DPS-CWPU P.O. Box 6488 Phoenix, AZ 85005-6488. Or you may be eligible to apply without completing the 8-hour initial CCW course, see additional information under the obtain a permit tab on this web site. (Source)

[Epimethean]

And I'm telling you that there is no CCW permit requirement in this state any longer.

http://www.arizonaccw.net/archives/112

http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/07/text...w-sb-1108/

Got it yet?

[Cinjin]

A little levity to break up the tension in this thread.

[Judas BentHer]

And I'm telling you that there is no CCW permit requirement in this state any longer.

http://www.arizonaccw.net/archives/112

http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/07/text...w-sb-1108/

Got it yet?

Sure, I got it. The ADoPS is lying. You should write them and let them know that. Remind them that nothing they said at that site link I posted and that was drafted after the new law you're talking about, relates or references the Arizona CWL you're talking about.

Oh, wait...
*edit to add* I couldn't help myself. I tried and failed miserably.
This was at that first link you asked me if "I got it yet?"
New 4 Hour Basic Pistol & CCW Course

This 4 Hour Basic Pistol/CCW Course will qualify you for the AZ CCW PERMIT. This permit is also available to non-residents and valid in 35 states. Limited seating. Class Reservations are now being taken.

Oh hell, I'm so glad I wasn't drinking something at the time. Seriously, you should seek counseling. I don't say that to flame you. I say that in a sincere concern for your mental health and for the sake of those who encounter you in real life off line.
Your blind hate for guns and gun owners precludes you from seeing what's on your own links you think to post to further your contempt for "gun nuts". Hell man, there was even a picture of people in training at a gun range on your own link!

You know I read your remarks about when you were a Deputy you didn't even like having a gun. And I figure your fear of guns is due your personal insecurity. No one is afraid of a gun unless they think the gun alone has more power than they do handling it responsibly. A trained Deputy is trained to be responsible and yet you were still afraid the gun was going to what? Do something on it's own?

That's usually what anti-gun nuts think. It's the gun's mere existence that makes them dangerous. They're there and so they're a factor in themselves when it comes to firing and shooting someone or something.
When the reality is, a gun will lay on the table where it was placed and never move one inch, unless someone picks it up and loads it, pulls the slide, or cocks the hammer.

Those who hate guns because they exist aren't fit to own one in the first place. They're not smart enough to realize "Weapon" is subjective. A rock in a slingshot, especially those that are on the market now, can kill just as easily as a gun. Drop a kid one shot. Drop an adult, one shot.
But for the anti gun nut, it's guns! Eeeevil guns. No other thing could ever be used as a weapon. No other of your toothless kids and redneck State's scenarios would be possible to exist,cheap liquor and all, save for the eeeevil guns being collected.
(Never ever visit Ted Nugent. His compound bow and arrow collection alone would blow your mind. Ewww, other weapons besides guns. Ain't that something?)

I am so glad you're no longer a Deputy. Seriously. I'd feel safer disarmed, than I would if you were called to save me, when you wore a badge.
I've never met law enforcement who are scared of their guns. Thank goodness.

That's an observation arrived at because you have in this thread demonstrated a very serious issue going on with you personally and emotionally. And guns are only part of it. It reads as something almost physiological.

People who are terrified of guns are the last one that should have one in their custody. They're the idiots that shoot their nuts off.
So I'll presume again that you don't have a single gun in your house.

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A little levity to break up the tension in this thread....

Wow, that would mean no Constantine. No Roman Catholic Church. No Pope. No Fundy's. No slavery through Roman conquest.

Jesus, just another of the many so called "prophets" that would have faded away as all the others did.

[Epimethean]

You have no clue here, Judas. I just showed you what you needed to see, right down to how the law changed, and you're still mixing your bullshit in a deeper and deeper pot. I did not say that I was afraid of the guns when I wore them, jackass. I said I didn't like them. I qualified every time just fine. That has zero bearing on the fact that you do not know AZ Law and can't stop jabbering on about anything to get the attention off the fact that you are wrong.

One more attempt to get it through your thick, gun nut skull:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1108s.pdf

[Judas BentHer]

OMG! You have no idea how to read a Legislative Bill. The strike through indicates language that no longer applies. Strikes through the numerical order, with regard to the paragraphs, mean those former placements are invalid and the new language or the omitted text is to reflect the new paragraph order.

Your own link to the KEYTLaw's Law Blog tells the reader at the top of the page how to read the new CWP law. CAPITAL LETTERS ARE THE NEW LANGUAGE IN THE NEW CWP LAW. Deleted text is red with a line through the text. Just like in the link to the Bill page itself. (SB 1108)

Anyone else but you, especially those with a "FIND" option on their tool bar can simply go through those links and "find" Permit. or permitee or even training. As it applies in the new law or, when it's language that is either not IN CAPITALS or stricken in red, it is the old language that remains in force.

This is the last time I'm going to indulge what is your emotional issue regarding fear of guns, and hate and contempt for gun owners and gun rights legislation.

I mean this sincerely, your hate for guns gun rights and gun owners, is so chronic that one may arrive at the conclusion it makes you almost illiterate.

You need to seek counseling and deal with that what makes you unable to actually read the truth about this matter. Instead of arguing and resorting to petty barbs, that have no affect on me. Rather, they reflect your emotional intensity to remain stalwart in your delusion. Even when the truth, the actual facts, are in print in the links you post. Not to mention my own. But yours!

You do have my deepest sympathy.

I hope you seek help, for the sake of those in real life that care about you and have to live with you in this present state when the subject of guns and gun rights cause you to demonstrate a chronic emotional dysfunction here on-line.

I'll not be a party to furtherance of your condition. I will no longer indulge you on this matter, for your own sake.
I do wish you all the best in your recovery if/when you do seek help.